Wireless Dog Fence Reviews

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Wireless Dog Fences create a circular boundary around a central base station using radio waves. They are quick to set up, but are not yet anywhere near as good as in-ground (wired) dog fences. The units have a lot of trouble going through obstacles, particularly a metal roof, siding, trees, and some walls. They are also imprecise, with even the best system, the boundary will move 3-5 feet second-to-second. The units can also be slow to respond, meaning the dog can get the correction too late and can keep getting the correction for a few seconds after they return.

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Rechargeable Yes Yes No Yes Yes
Correction Levels 5 5 5 5 8
Battery Backup No No No No Yes
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2 unlimited 2 unlimited 2
Capacity 2.8 acres 0.75 acres 25 acres 0.5 acres 2.5 acres
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Boundary Wobble

Boundary Wobble Graph

Boundary wobble, the movement of the boundary line from moment to moment, is one of the principle drawbacks of wireless fence systems. When the boundary line is inconsistent and moves, it is more difficult for the dog to learn where exactly the boundary is. It is also difficult in situations where you need a clear boundary to keep the dog out of danger that is on the other side of the boundary.

The Havahart had by far the least boundary wobble of any wireless dog fence systems – by an extraordinary factor of three, but still it was not as good as a traditional wired systems which have close to zero wobble.

Perimeter Technology’s Wifi Fence had a very high amount of wobble – making it one to avoid. This result was very surprising to us, since Perimeter and Havahart use similar wifi technology. Nonetheless, the Havahart outperformed the Wifi head-to-head in all our testing scenarios.

The Petsafe Wireless was somewhere in the middle and makes a credible budget option. To our surprise, the newer and more expensive PetSafe Stay + Play had worse wobble than the older model.

Retreat Response

Retreat Response Graph

Retreat response the distance the dog has to retreat in order to stop getting the correction is the other drawback of wireless systems. Wireless systems require the dog to retreat a much greater distance to stop receiving the correction. This again makes training more difficult because the dog has to be taught to retreat a long distance, and is not rewarded with the cessation of the correction as soon as they start retreating.

Again the Havaharts outpaced the PetSafes and trounced the Perimeter Wifi with significant. And again, wired systems outperformed the Havaharts.

Testing Methodology

The systems were tested operating at a 70 foot radius in two test scenarios. The first scenario required the system to penetrate several interior and exterior walls, the second scenario required the system to deal with natural obstructions including vegetation and a mild slope.

Note that the boundary wobble and retreat response will vary depending on a users setup. In setups where you have a high level of obstructions or a wider boundary radius expect the level of performance to deteriorate up. Conversely, if you have a smaller radius or fewer obstructions expect superior performance.

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Marlon Cortes February 10, 2013 at 7:43 pm

I have a 1 and a half year old husky and about 1 and a half acres of land, what do you recommend?

ADMIN – Hi Marlon,

For a Husky on 1 acre, and good wireless system would be the Havahart Radial 2. For a wired system, the Dogtek EF-600 would also work well.

barbara kirwin February 3, 2013 at 4:36 pm

we have two standard poodles that love to roam……we live on a lot in which there is less space in the front of the house, and more area in the back, that i would like the dogs to be able to run freely. which unit would you recommend that allows us to create our own parameters depending on where our house is on the lot…thank you.

ADMIN – Hi Barbara, the wireless systems we sell can only create a circular boundary from the center of the transmitter control box. The Havahart creates a stable 200 foot radius. The PetSafe Stay + Play offers a 105 foot radius. The Stay + Play is waterproof and the battery life last about 2 weeks. The Havahart collar is only water-resistant and the rechargeable battery needs to be swapped out every 3 days.

Joni February 3, 2013 at 12:42 pm

We have an energetic shepard/lab/collie mix puppy that will get about 90-110 lbs -we live in the country but by a fairly busy road and want her to be able to be outside safely. We have metal out buildings and are looking for a long range wireless system that would work to give her the largest play range available. Also wondering if any of them are weather resistant that could be placed outside and with stand Minnesota weather if they were under a little cover. Any suggestions?

ADMIN – Hi Joni, a wireless system will not be able to transmit through your metal buildings. Also, we do not have any weather proof wall transmitters. All transmitters will need to be installed safe from wind and rain. The Dogtek EF6000 collar is fully water resistant.

Emily January 31, 2013 at 1:25 am

I have been researching wireless fences to find the best match for my 2 year old lab. My house’s roof is metal but I have a detached garage with shingle roofing and electricity. If I set up the wireless system in my garage would my house’s metal roof interfere with the coverage? The house is approx 4 ft. from the garage.

ADMIN – Hi Emily, unless you roof is a significantly off the ground, the fence will not work. We have found that the Havahart will work with 2 story houses with metals roofs. With single floor homes, the roof is much closer to the ground thus becomes an issue.

Penny January 30, 2013 at 2:10 am

My situation is different. I just need a wire or wireless fence for the backyard which is only about 65 ft by 25 ft. We are not allowed to have any fences up. I have a very energetic 1 yr old border collie and a 20 lb 1 yr cockapoo mix. The neighbors are constantly writing letters to the homeowners assoc and I have been fined over $500. I need to let them run free in the morn and nite for only 5 minutes. They have access to a fenced in baseball field for the day run. Finances are limited as I am a senior semi-retired person. Thank you.

ADMIN – Hi Penny, I would recommend the Dogtek EF-6000 for your Border Collie and Cockapoo mix. Your yard is too small for a wireless fence. You will want to put in a wired fence so that you can maximize all the space in your backyard. The wire in the box is all you will need for your layout. This fence is great for a budget and has rechargeable collars. Should be a great choice.

Kami January 29, 2013 at 12:46 pm

Hi, I have 2 beagles and a husky. I’m trying to decide what would be the best and safest fence for my pets. They have a lot of energy. I live in upstate NY so we have snow for at least 5 months of the year. None of my dogs have been trained with a wireless fence. Please help :)

ADMIN – Hi Kami, the PetSafe Stay + Play wireless fence is the only wireless fence that will allow you to collar more than 2 dogs. We now have the Stubborn wireless collar that would be great for your Beagles. I would recommend the Stay + Play collar for the Husky.

Kathy Laney January 28, 2013 at 4:36 pm

We have one acre with metal roofing. We also have a lot of cement sidewalk and driveway areas, so we are considering going with the wireless unit. We had the underground wire fencing at our old house. We like the idea that we could take it with us when we went camping. Which unit would you recommend? Our dogs are a 20 lb. beagle mix and a 4 mth old German Shorthair…both quick to run off.

ADMIN – Hi Kathy, Unfortunately a metal roof will block the wireless signal. A wired fence is what you’ll need for your home. For your Beagle and a German Shorthair, I’d recommend the Dogtek EF-6000. It’s a slim, rechargeable collar that allows you to set separate correction levels for each dog. It will have plenty of correction strength for both as well.

austin January 26, 2013 at 8:18 pm

Hello, I have a 100 lb rottweiler. I used to have the PetSafe wireless system but the dome was way way to small. I spent 400 on a in-ground fence, but he figured out that if he ran fast enough he could break the barrier without it shocking him. I have one acre of land but plan on buying a house with minimum of three acres what would he a good unit for me. Thanks, Austin

ADMIN – Hi Austin, I would recommend the Dogtek EF-6000. It has 8 correction levels and will offer plenty of correction for your rottweiler. The collar is slim and rechargeable. The key to success is the training and having a very wide boundary radius signal.

Jonathan Dowling November 26, 2012 at 9:35 am

I read a post talking about in ground wiring systems. If i get one of these would it be better to just install 14 gauge wire to start with?

ADMIN – Hi Jonathan, if you are installing more than 500 feet of wire, we highly recommend you upgrade to 14 gauge wire to get the most durable wire that is break resistant.

Jonathan Dowling November 26, 2012 at 9:32 am

I have a tin roof on my house will this interfere with the wireless systems. The roof sits about 20 feet of the ground or so.

ADMIN – Hi Jonathan, Yes it will interfere. The signal is a dome shape and it will not be able to transmit through the roof of your home to establish a consistent boundary.

Margaret November 25, 2012 at 10:38 pm

How does snow effect the signal strength of either the in ground wire or the wireless? We have a lab mix rescue dog who is very strong and full of energy. We live in the country and have a suitable area for the wireless fence however wondering if it will give enough shock to stop her from running thru it. Thank you in advance for your comments.

ADMIN – Hi Margaret, I would not recommend the wireless fences for your lab. For a wired fence, as the snow builds, you will simply turn up the boundary signal to compensate the accumulation. In the spring, simply dial it back down.

Rachael November 21, 2012 at 1:55 pm

We live on approximately 11 acres of land. The lower half is densely wooded. Our home is brick with a metal roof and is around 100 yards from the tree line. We have a 2 year old 45 lb. Mt. Cur that is roaming too far and has started getting onto the road in front of our home. Would a wireless fence system work to contain him in our yard and if so, which one would you recommend?

ADMIN – Hi Rachael, you can definitely give the Havahart Radial wireless a try and exchange it out for a wired fence if it does not work. I think a 45 lb Mountain Cur will respond well to the Havahart fence as well as the PetSafe Ultrasmart PIG00-13619.

Sara November 18, 2012 at 3:09 pm

We just got a 12 week old Lab. We live on one acre. What would be the best system?

Admin- Hi Sara,
A great dog fence system for your lab will be the DogTek EF-6000. The system offers a slim line rechargeable collar and it comes with 500 feet of wire that will cover 1/3 of acre. For a full acre you will need a total of 1000 feet of wire.

Brian October 18, 2012 at 10:02 pm

We live in a suburban gated community. Our lot size is 0.59 acres. We have a 8 year old full blooded lab who is well trained. However, his retriever comes through at times and was wanting to know what system you recommended. We were thinking of the PetSafe wireless.

ADMIN – Hi Brian, the updated version is the PetSafe Stay + Play. It provides up to 3/4 of an acre of coverage. It may provide the level of customization you seek in a dog fence, but it may not. The system only creates a circular shaped boundary. With proper training, you should expect 100% containment. Now, if your lab is hard-headed, then you’ll need a stronger system like the PetSafe Deluxe or maybe PetSafe Stubborn.

Charlie September 30, 2012 at 11:19 am

Hello, We would like a professional opinion for using a wireless system for my yard. We have a 14lb. Jack Russell, and a Miniature Aussie Shepherd puppy. We understand your suggestions on the 20lb. weight requirement and the Jack is below that but not the Aussie. We were decided on the Havahart prior to your web site and reading all the posts. But we are concerned with the stability of the Pet Safe wireless systems. Which wireless has the best stability and battery life to work for our situation? We have a flat 3/4 acre lot, wooden structured house with no barriers except garage door. We appreciate your time thank you.

ADMIN – Hi Charlie, the PetSafe wireless is the most stable fence with the longest battery life even though the battery is disposable. I’m not sure it will fit your dogs neck it may work. You’ll need to let them wear it first to gauge.

Andy September 20, 2012 at 4:59 pm

Hi! Are there any wireless fences that will work with an aluminum sided house?

ADMIN – Hi Andy, unfortunately only a wired fence can be used with an aluminum sided home.

Heather September 13, 2012 at 11:32 am

I currently live in a rural area on a dead end road… I have two dogs both about 40 pounds and both between 1 and 2 years old. One is a black lab/Weimeraner mix and one is a German shepherd/chow mix…. I am thinking about moving and so have resisted installing in ground fence… so I was wondering about a wireless above ground system… and I am concerned that if I go this route… the house sits just over a hill and is in the middle of a woods, with 14 acres and my property is on the edge of the 14 acres and slopes down hill, the house being at the top…… and I am concerned with interference because of the terrain… and I do not have a lot of metal or anything that would interfere… I cannot have them both loose at one time because they run…. away together… I can’t seem to break them of this. so I keep one tied at all times… What would you recommend?

ADMIN – Hi Heather, we won’t be able to determine if a wireless fence will operate on your property since no two properties are alike. Giving it a try is really the best way to determine. We do offer our customers a full refund within 30 days of receipt if the system does not operate well. The Havahart may be a great match for your lab and shepherd mix dogs. If you’re looking at a wired system, I’d recommend the PetSafe Ultrasmart PIG00-13619.

Emily Eckhardt September 8, 2012 at 10:14 am

Hi there, I’m wondering if the fence works in both directions, if the dog is going into the fenced zone or out of it. I was thinking about getting one of these to make an off limits boundary on our property instead of trying to fence the whole thing.

ADMIN – Hi Emily, yes, in most scenarios, wired and wireless, the fence works when approaching from the inside or outside.

Alison August 6, 2012 at 8:41 am

I’ve had a wired PetSafe Ultrasmart system for about 2 years and it works great for Molly. She knows her boundaries and won’t even go near the edge. Half the time she goes out and doesn’t even have her collar on. It’s fantastic! I’m looking to get a wireless system that sets up pretty quickly that I can use when we travel. We stay with family a few times a year and they do not have a fenced in yard. My concern is the yard is long and narrow with a three story house right in the middle. Can I configure a wireless fence for the area? Or is there some way I can manually trigger her collar so I can train her to stay in a certain area? When traveling, she’s never outside by herself and I’m not concerned about her testing the boundaries once she knows them. PS. Thanks for the website, it’s really helpful!

ADMIN – Hi Alison, for wireless, you will only be able to set up a circular boundary which will be difficult to set up at your families home. While you cannot manually trigger her current collar, you could consider a remote training collar which will provide the correction control you desire.

Jan August 5, 2012 at 6:15 pm

We adopted a 1 year old lab/border collie mix that has quite the energy level. We have quite a few acres of land but are looking at a wireless fence option that could contain him within about 5 acres–could be more if system isn’t adjustable. The land we would use this on is fairly level and no metal buildings. We do not have to be concerned with tight borders for security and when we are gone for the entire day or have visitors we also use a kennel. What would be the best system for this and do the wireless options interfere with other signals we have on the property? i.e. wireless internet, satellite receiver and internet receiver. Also, how do you mount the multiple units for variable boundary—I would be concerned about destruction from other animals??? Are you aware of any wireless fences that also have a remote trainer that can be used with it? One other question if I put dog on leash and turn off system can I take him for long walks on the property or would this be a bad choice for training purposes?

ADMIN – Hi Jan, currently we do not have a fence that you can create a boundary of that size. The best option is the Havahart Radial fence which has a maximum stable boundary of 200 feet from the center of the wall transmitter. The signal will not interfere with signals. Not currently aware of a wireless system with the remote capability. After your dog is on the fence trained for about a month, you can introduce a “safe gate” where you do remove the collar to be able to go for walks. However, you’ll want to wait until your dog is acclimated to the fence for about a month.

Sandra July 31, 2012 at 3:03 pm

Off our house is two decks and a 24′ round pool. Will the pool interfere with the signal?

ADMIN – Hi Sandra,

The wireless signal can by impeded by the an above-ground pool that is blocking the line of site between the transmitter and the boundary line.

Jenna Verenka July 10, 2012 at 11:07 pm

Hi
I want to try the wireless system, we have a metal clad barn with metal roof. Can I mount it on the outside of the barn, and have the area designated for the dogs beside this structure? Or will that still interfere with the signal?
Please advise.

Thanks

Admin- Hi Jenna,
Unfortunately the wireless system will not work in or around a metal barn. A metal structure will completely block the signals. Your best option will be an in-ground wired system which are much more reliable and effective.

Paul Desautels July 10, 2012 at 1:31 pm

We have a Shih Tzu puppy but, when a few months older, want to get a fence for him. Because our yard has a strange configuration and for other reasons, we are hoping there is a system which allows the collar itself to be deactivated when on the dog. Is there such a system? Also, do not have external outlet and saw some that utilize a hand held activator but realize the boundaries may not be uniform and confusing for the dog so hoping there is a system which would allow us to turn the system off at the collar when needed and one which operates on battery power. The cost of purchasing batteries may be more economical than having an outdoor outlet installed. Also, the circular systems would not work because of the shape of our yard. It would give the dog an area of only 30′ x 30” because the road is 40′ from the house. Back yard not an option for several reasons. HELP!

Hi Paul, A wired system that runs the whole perimeter may just be the best option. Can you sketch out your property and email it to me for review? I’d like to take a look and see what we would advice. The PetSafe Little Dog is the best option, but the wall transmitter requires a power outlet. We do not have any fences that are completely battery powered. The Little Dog collar requires a battery and you can turn the collar off, but the wall transmitter requires 110 power.

Gary July 2, 2012 at 8:42 pm

I have an 18-month-old large hyperactive golden retriever. We have no fence and we live in a suburban area. The dog constantly bolts out the door when someone opens it and roams the neighborhood. The yard is relatively flat with a freestanding garage in the back yard. I would prefer a wireless system, but have doubts about whether it will work with such a hyper animal. Any advice?

Admin- Hi Gary,

A wireless fence has several disapproving qualities like inconsistencies in the boundary line and slow collar reaction time. The wired fences are a much more effective and reliable option for a larger hyper dog. A good system to consider will be the PetSafe UltraSmart-13619. The system comes with a slim fitting rechargeable collar and 500 feet of boundary wire that covers 1/3 of an acre.

Shannon Schafer May 24, 2012 at 7:55 pm

Hello,
I am looking for a system for my 90 pound lab. We have 10 acres, and it’s fenced entirely with the exception of the driveway. I’m looking for a cost effective way of stopping him from running onto the road and barking at anything that might be passing the driveway (ie bikes, pedestrians, etc). Do you think a Paws away outdoor rock would be strong enough? Thanks so much!

Admin- Hi Shannon,

Your best option will be the PetSafe Stubborn dog system. You will be able to install the boundary wire at gate similar to the Pawz Away rock but the collar is much more reliable with more functionality. Please see our install diagram for signal side only under the Dog Fence Installations tab.

John May 19, 2012 at 10:34 am

I have had a Innotek wire system for the last eight years. Seems like every other year I have to dig the wire up and repair it. I have a ten year old Jack Russell. The fence is currently down and I haven’t had much luck finding the break this time. I have one acre with a metal sided tractor shed on one side of the yard and a metal sided garage on the other. House is in the middle between them. Is a wireless system an option for my yard.

Admin- Hi John,

Unfortunately based on your setup a wire in-grown system will still be the best option. The signal on a wireless transmitter will be blocked by the two metal structures. Since the wire has been install for so long, I recommend installing a thicker gauge wire like a 14 or 16 gauge wire. You could leave the old wire in the ground and simply install new wire around the property (the old wire will not effect the new boundary).

John B May 18, 2012 at 5:33 pm

Hello We are in need of invisible fencing after getting a 9 week old that is going to be a large dog. I became really interested in the wireless method today when considering the ease of installation versus the buried wire. My concern is the contours of our property and whether the wireless will be effective. Our property is a sloping from the road to the back area of the yard. The transmitter would be above the lower part of yard and below the rear by about 15-20 in elevation. Your advice would be appreciated.

Admin- Hi John,

A wireless fence has several disapproving quality’s like inconsistencies in the boundary line and slow collar reaction time. The wired fences are much more effective. A wired fence will work if you have a sloping yard; however, a wireless will not work with the sloping terrain that you say your property has. The signal will be non existent at the 15-20′ elevation. Your best option will be a wired in-ground system.

Christina April 16, 2012 at 11:32 am

We purchased the Havahart Radial Wireless system to contain our 8 month old beagle. We had a wired system at our past residence and it worked great. We were hoping that we could avoid the expense and labor of installing a wired in ground system with this new “wireless” system. Big mistake. Batteries die after only 1 day. I had read reviews that said they would need to be replaced after 3-4 days, but ONE day! really?Our dog was constantly running off after having her trained initially while the batteries held their charge. customer service said the collar may not be fitted properly which may be the case..I am waiting for replacement collar and will post another review if it improves, otherwise, we are the owners of a useless system because we are past the refund date.

Laina April 15, 2012 at 9:20 pm

I have a Yorkie and a Chihuahua and they are both about 7 pounds. Which wireless system would be safe for them? I do not have a metal roof but our detached pull barn with a metal roof is about 50 feet from our home, would that cause a problem? There is a new house being built next door and I am in a huge hurry to keep the dogs off the property!!

Thank you for this awesome web site!!!

Admin, Hi Laina,

Unfortunately I do see two problems that you will have. One, we do not recommend the wireless systems for dogs under 20-pounds. The collar will be really bulky on your small dogs. Two, the pull barn will block the wireless signal.

You are really limited with the small Yorkie and Chihuahuas to the PetSafe Little dog system. The collars are designed for small dogs like you have and will be the best fitting. The PetSafe Little Dog system offers independent correction levels; therefore, you will be able to adjust the correction levels on the dogs collar. The system comes with 500 feet of wire that can contain 1/3 acre.

Sabrina April 12, 2012 at 6:59 pm

Hello there,
We have the PetSafe wireless pet system for our two dogs, an Argentinean Mastiff and a Boxer. As of right now we only have one collar and have to keep changing it back and forth between the two girls which sucks cause they love to go out and play together but can’t. A replacement once is kin of expensive so my question is this…My mom has an extra collar for her PetSafe in ground system and I was wondering if it will work with my PetSafe wireless system?

Admin- Hi Sabrina,

Unfortunately the PetSafe Wireless system will not work with the PetSafe wired in ground collars. Your best option for will be to purchase an additional PetSafe wireless collar.

Trish April 11, 2012 at 3:08 pm

I have the Petsafe wireless system…. Love it! We live in a small village on a fairly quiet street with a nice yard for Tucker to roam within his radius. My question is not about battery life but about the lifespan of the system itself. Tuck’s collar started beeping right outside the garage and I couldn’t get to him before he got zapped….he was done playing outside for the day. It seems to be misfiring a lot and now I’m simply afraid to use it because what pet owner WANTS their pet to get that shock unless it’s for their safety. The battery is not the problem. The system is not quite 5 yrs old. Please help!

ADMIN – Hi Trish,

Obviously that should not happen, and you are smart to stop using it until you are confident it won’t happen again. If this problem has never happened before, and nothing has changed about the house (e.g. no new addition, no new metal garage door, no new cars parked in the garage), then the problem is likely the collar or the system. I would first check the boundary radius settings to make sure they have not changed. That failing, I would get it repaired by PetSafe. Since you are outside the comprehensive 1 year warranty, there will be a charge, it will be around $50.

Ryan April 7, 2012 at 4:39 pm

Are there any systems available that would work well when one lives in a woods? Or am I stuck with a hand held device that relies on my manual signaling of the dog?

ADMIN – Hi Ryan,

The wireless fences will all struggle in the woods. But, the wired fences will all work normally in wooded areas. Because the wire runs around the perimeter, it can be easily sculpted to avoid obstacles. In wooded areas, we generally just staple the wire down using lawn staples, because burying the wire can be very difficult with all the tree roots.

Barb April 5, 2012 at 8:10 pm

Hi I have many questions on these fences for dogs. But from reading some of the comments and questions I am thinking I am going to need wired fence for sure. I have 2 GS. They are brother and sister and are 13 weeks old. The boy is about 25 lbs and the girl is almost 20 lbs. They are going to be big dogs. I own 4 acres, in the country and they like doing their business on the edge of the woods, but I am not wanting to fence off 4 acres just 2 acres. The house is fairly close to the road though. :( I am just wondering what system would be best for all of us?

ADMIN – Hi Barb,

With the house close to the road, I also thing that wired would be the best choice.

Two good choice for a pair of German Shepherds would be the SportDog SDF-100A and the Innotek IUC-4100. The SportDog has a bulkier collar, and uses a disposable battery, but is a little cheaper. The Innotek is rechargeable, and a little smaller.

For both dogs, I would until they are six months old before training them on the system. Before that, most dogs are too immature for the training.

Carol March 30, 2012 at 7:11 pm

We have the pet-safe wireless fence. Does anyone have any trouble with the collar going off INSIDE the house? Our poor dog has been zapped 4 times. Usually around big appliances, so I am suspecting it has something to do with that?? We have the transmitter set to 8 so he should not be getting zapped inside!

ADMIN – Hi Carol,

This sometimes happens around large metal objects, because they are blocking the signal to the base station. Sometimes moving the transmitter will help. But, this signal inconsistency is unfortunately one of the drawback of a wireless system.

Betsy Buckman March 26, 2012 at 9:04 pm

Was really looking at the Havahart 2 wireless system to use on our dachsund (approx 15 bls and a wire hair dachsund mix (approx 24 lbs). We live out in the country and on a hillside in a basic ranch single story house. The back of the house is approx 6 feet off the ground while the front is on regular foundation (approx 1 foot off ground). The slope continues down aprrox 300 feet or more to the pond. I wanted to do the Havahart 2 radial wireless system. However, after reading all the inputs, not sure if it will work on the slope.

We have just a couple of crepe myrtle trees in back and a wood frame shed in front to one side of the house. Was looking at doing a 130 ft radius. My husband doesn’t want to put any fences up on the property. Will the Havahart 2 wireless system work for us?

ADMIN – Hi Betsy,

It is always unpredictable whether wireless will work in any given property. That said, a good way to make an educated guess on whether it will work with the slope is whether you could get a line from the transmitter to the boundary line.

Note, the Havahart collar is likely going to be too big for the smaller dog. Generally the wireless collars don’t fit well on dogs under 20lbs.

elaine counihan March 26, 2012 at 6:29 pm

I bought this fence plus a second collar as a last resort for my dogs. Living in a rural community I was worried sick as my dogs ramblings had increased. I took in a stray (a terrier mix approx 2 yrs old) and my beagle (2 &1/2) became very unsettled & started rambling sometimes with the terrier & sometimes without. Being a farming community this was a massive source of stress & my usual techniques for prevention were not working. So I decided to invest. I can only describe this product as a weight having been lifted!!! However before purchase you do need to research. Make sure you know the length and width you need covered as it is a circular diameter and will not suit every plot. If you need zoned areas or irregular shapes it is not suitable you will need the wired system. Also as it is determined by radio signal so there is a slight difference (18-36inches) as to where the beep starts on individual collars but this is easily overcome with flag placement and training. I believe most of the failures i have read are the result of poor research and training. Of course there can also be the occasional faulty product but that’s why buying from a reputable source that has experience is important. There is also a warranty. My dogs are spoiled; pampered and showered with love everyday so also remember when they get that first “static correction” you will feel like plugging it out and throwing it away. But as my friend and fellow dog lover said “you sometimes have to be cruel(a little)to be kind”. Within a couple of days my dogs were aware of their boundaries and within a week they were happier and more content than I had seen them in some time.

jim steinke March 11, 2012 at 1:05 pm

Is there such a thing as a totally wireless fence? Is there an actual transmitter that you can install in the home the works 360 degrees from the inside with a receiver on the dog? Wireless fence to me means no wires or am I wrong. if you have that what is the range and cost?

ADMIN – Hi Jim,

The wireless dog fences are what you describe. You place a transmitter in your house, and it creates a circular boundary an adjustable distance from the base station. The best of breed system is the Havahart Wireless, it has an effective radius of around 200 yards and costs $360.

Lyn March 6, 2012 at 11:02 pm

We have 2 Welsh Corgi’s, approximately 25 – 30 lbs each. We live on a large farm on a country road, but lately our dogs have been taking “road trips”. We would like a wireless system, however, our house has a standing seam roof and the closest barn is all metal. Will this have a negative impact on a wireless system? Also, there is not much space between the front of the house and the road, but behind, to the right, and to the left of the house, is much more open space. What would you recommend? We need to get something set up ASAP.

ADMIN – Hi Lyn,

The wireless systems don’t like large amounts of sheet metal. With both a metal roof, and a metal barn, it would be difficult for any of the wireless systems to get a good signal. Also, the wireless systems need to be located in approximately the center of the property, so aren’t a good fit if the house is near the front of the property.

A wired system would not have these limitations and would be the better choice for your situation. For two Corgis, a smaller collar like the Innotek IUC-4100 would be your best bet.

Serina March 6, 2012 at 7:20 pm

Hi, we have an 8 lb. Shitzu/yorkie mix that loves to bolt out the door when it’s warm and run around the neighborhood trying to find other dogs to bark at and it takes us at least a half hour to coax her back into the house or catch her. It’s the only time I regret getting a dog! Anyway, we don’t have many options due to renting and outlet locations. I guess my question is: Have you seen that Havahart offers a “small dog” wireless radial fence? Have you had a chance to look at the collars? I am just trying to figure out if it will work with her, or if my only option is to try an indoor barrier at the door, but I would much rather have a fence so she can run around outside with us without dragging a tie out around, but I’m so scared of wasting that much money. Thanks for your help!

ADMIN – Hi Serina,

The Havahart small dog fence, was previously their regular dog fence. (The Havahart Large Fence is new, and is a larger collar) Best wireless system, but the small part is misleading … the collar would be too big on dogs under 20 lbs, and definitely not on Shih Tzu / Yorkie mix.

Afraid if you want an electronic dog fence, at 8lbs, your only options are wired fences.

John Simon March 5, 2012 at 11:32 am

I bought a Perimeter wireless system 3 years ago and it has never worked. They replaced the whole thing 4 times in the first year for a variety of reasons (batteries, base unit, collar) but the system would never operate reliably. Would highly recommend against wasting your money.

ADMIN – Hi John,

Agreed.

Lisa March 2, 2012 at 9:18 am

I have a shitzu/mix that weighs 10lbs and is 18 months old. A little high strung. Likes to jump. Live in a neighborhood, corner lot with a busy street in the front. I have been walking him on leash but would like to give him more time outside to run around. There is a deck then down 10 steps and cross driveway to get to grassy side yard. Would wireless work with the obstacle of driveway and the drop from house to yard?

ADMIN – Hi Lisa,

The collars on the wireless systems are going to be too big and heavy for a 10lb Shih Tzu mix. The collars are generally too big for any dog under 20 lbs. Your only option would be a smaller collar from one of the wired systems like the PetSafe Little Dog system.

But, to answer your questions, generally if you can get a line of sight, the wireless systems have a good chance of working. If the drop is steeper than that, the system is unlikely to work. The driveway would not be an obstacle to a wireless system.

Kim February 26, 2012 at 10:55 pm

We have about 2.85 acres with about 1.5 wooded. We were considering the wireless, but after reading are wondering if wired would be better. We have a labradoodle, schnoodle and schnauzer (the schnauzer is very slow and loses focus and can wander aimlessly). We want to cover about 2 of the 2.85 acres and it stays wet for long periods. What system would you recommend and if you recommend the wired, how much wire will it take? Will the system work with the large dog and the small dogs together?

Thanks for all the information.

Admin- Hi Kim,

Your best option will be an in-ground fence. A great system for your three dogs will be the PetSafe Stubborn/large dog system. You can use the large dog collar for the Labrador and bundle in two additional PetSafe Deluxe collars. A great feature about the PetSafe system is that you will have independent correction levels for all your dogs. You will be able to set the correction amount for the dogs on their collars. The system comes with 500 feet of wire and you will need a total of 1500 feet of wire to cover your 2 acres.

Greg February 24, 2012 at 8:32 pm

We have two cavalier king Charles spaniels. Our back yard is fully fenced off with wire mesh at the bottom to prevent the dogs from getting out. It’s about 3/4 acre, flat and open in the back. Just last week our older dog dug out and under the fence. This is the first time this has happened. We looked at redoing all the wire mesh with galvanized fence and digging 12 inches down to bury it. This is costly and labor intensive. I found the havahart radial wireless and thought that would be perfect. But I’m not sure now, after reading this. A wired system is much more expensive, so I’d prefer to go wireless route. We have asphalt shingle roof and a good number of glass windows on the back of house. Would you feel comfortable recommending the havahart system in our case?

ADMIN – Hi Greg,

Typically Cavalier king Charles spaniels do not get much larger than 18 pounds. We do not recommend the wireless option for dog less than 20 pounds. The collar will be too bulky. Plus the wire is in-ground system in much more reliable and effective. A great system will be the Innotek IUC4100. The collars are a slim fit rechargeable. For the install, we have found that attaching the boundary wire 12 -18 inches up to an existing fence will solve most containment issues very quickly. Your dogs will not be able to approach the fence and set at the base like they are now.

rudy February 22, 2012 at 10:34 am

Hi I have two dogs both pitbulls. They recently got loose and according to the dogcatcher they terrorized the neighborhood. We have a privacy fence and I have no idea how they got out. I wanted to install a dog perimeter fence and was thinking about going on he wifi ones. I understand that the underground ones are more reliable but I have a cement driveway in he back and do not know how I would be able to install it. Please help me as to which would be a better choice and if the underground is better how to install it over my cement driveway.

ADMIN – Hi Rudy,

You could do one of the wireless fences, like the Havahart Radial, but this would only let you have a circular boundary field. The wired systems perform a little better, and will let you have a custom shape layout to suit your property.

To install a wired fence where you already have a fence, you would just attach the wire to the fence and not need to bury the wire. To get a across a concrete driveway, you need to find a convenient expansion joint, clean it out, and place the wire in the joint. Then you caulk over the wire to keep it in place. If there is no convenient joint, you just cut a slot across the driveway using a circular saw and a masonry blade.

Meagan February 20, 2012 at 6:14 pm

I highly recommend NOT getting the Perimeter Wifi Fence. I just purchased this unit a couple of weeks ago for my Beagle, hoping that it would give her a good, safe boundary to do all of her sniffing and roaming, as we live by a busy road. After spending a good bit of time trying to figure the settings out we tested the boundary and realized it was very inconsistent, even after adjusting the boundary to a shorter distance. She could have been out on the road before the unit even sent out a warning! And it was different each time we tested the boundary! It also lost signal several times during the week that I was testing it. If anyone knows of a good, reliable wireless radio fence please let me know. I do not want to worry with burying wire.

ADMIN – Hi Meagan,

In our testing, we found much the same – the boundary movement on the Perimeter Wifi is large, averaging just under 10 feet of wobble from minute-to-minute and having significant drop-outs. All wireless fences have these limitation, although others don’t suffer as much. We found the Havahart Radial to be significantly better, averaging around 2 feet of wobble. But, this is still not anywhere near as good as a wired system which will have a much more consistent boundary line.

Brian Abraham February 19, 2012 at 1:09 pm

I have the Perimeter WIFI system – the boundary wobble is annoying however the travel adapter/battery backup make this unit impossible to live without!!! I have a property that has no electricity and I travel with my dogs a lot….If you do not have a place to plus in…this is the only system I found that can work but plugging it in to your car adapter for extended camping….make the unit extremely portable whereas other units must be plugged in. I wish the other units would provide this feature!!!!!

ADMIN – Hi Brian,

The Perimeter Wifi is indeed the only wireless fence with a battery backup. It is very useful for camping, and like you we wish this feature was included in other wireless fences.

Jerry February 18, 2012 at 10:01 am

The squirrels destroyed my in ground system continuously over five years. I have a2.5acre wooded lot and a obedient dog. Will wireless system interfere with the home phone or computer wifi system?

ADMIN – Hi Jerry,

The wireless system will not interfere with your home phone or wireless internet. They use different frequencies. But note, the wireless will not work well if the boundary extends into the woods. Once you get into the trees the signal tends to get blocked and the fence rendered ineffective. If the boundary is set a few feet prior to the woods, then you will be fine.

The wireless systems work well with dogs that are already trained. Because the dogs are already so well conditioned to stay away from the boundary, it makes up for most of the shortcomings they have with inconsistent boundaries.

Jamie February 17, 2012 at 10:23 pm

I am looking for a system that I can use with three different size dogs. I have a 125lb Great Pyrenees, Australian Blue Heeler puppy (25-30lbs when full grown), and a small Shitz Tzu. Do you know of one that I can adjust each collar independently? Thanks

ADMIN – Hi Jamie,

The PetSafe Stubborn, Petsafe Deluxe and PetSafe Little Dog systems are inter-compatible, which is useful for dogs of very different sizes and temperaments. I would get a PetSafe Stubborn system and use the included collar with the Great Pyrenees. I would add an additional PetSafe deluxe collar for the Blue Heeler. And a PetSafe Little Dog collar for the Shih Tzu. I am presuming the small Shih Tzu is under 12 lbs, if they are over 12lbs, you should use a PetSafe Deluxe collar instead.

Teresa February 17, 2012 at 10:15 pm

I live in a wooded 2 plus acre unlevel mountain side. Does the wireless fence work in these conditions?

ADMIN – Hi Teresa,

The wireless fences can deal with some undulation, but where there are very steep hills and valleys they have trouble. A good rule of thumb is if you can get a line of site, the signal will get through, if it is so uneven that you lose your line of site to the dog, the system will struggle.

Angela Richard February 16, 2012 at 6:36 pm

We have a lake on our property witch the dogs love to play in. So I need a collar that can stand up to them being in the lake?

ADMIN – Hi Angela,

If you need a wireless fence that is waterproof, the PetSafe Wireless fences are your best bet. The Havaharts are not water proof, and the Perimeter Wifi is generally ineffective.

ted harris February 8, 2012 at 10:12 pm

We have two labs on a petsafe wireless system. The system keeps one dog in yard and has no effect on the other. The collar is working but dog just keeps going – need suggestions to keep dog home.

ADMIN – Hi Ted,

To diagnose this, you should watch the dog’s reaction when they cross the boundary. If they don’t have a big reaction, they are not getting the correction.

If you tested the collar and it is working, the most likely explanation is that the collar is giving the correction, but the dog is not feeling it. This happens when the collar probes are not quite touching the dog’s skin. You may need to use the longer prongs with some labs loose skin, and you need to make sure when you fasten the collar that it is tight enough that the collar is being held in place.

If the dog is reacting, they are getting the correction and going through anyway. To fix this, you need to turn up the correction level and do a bit of retraining.

Bridget February 4, 2012 at 11:44 pm

I’m looking for a fence, wired or wireless. Currently right now I live in a small town. I have 3 dogs, Max (male-Chow, Lab, Retriever), Marley (female-Blue Healer), and Kayleigh (female-offspring). Max is our wanderer he will get right out of the fence no matter how well we fix it and run. His temperment is great. Marley is my pleaser dog, she will stay in the fence when the other two will run out and she is my right hand dog, Kayleigh is a spaz, in the house and yard she is constantly moving running, like a dog on ADD. She will follow Max out and I’m not sure how she would handle strangers. What kind of containment could I use and also we were looking to move and buy a lake house. What kind of containment could we use there. One thats water safe but where we would have the house it would be a ways down to the dock which I think they would stay with us pretty well so I think we could just take off their collars. Thanks!

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Heather Crawford January 16, 2012 at 6:37 pm

I am renting a place that sits on 2 acres along a road. It’s kind of a stair-stepped terrain with the house at the lowest point, the garage about 4 feet higher, and a parking/grassy area about 6 feet higher than the garage. My pound puppy (7 years, 65 pounds) sticks around marginally well but my Corgi (3 years, 18 pounds) is super friendly and likes to wander to see what everyone else is up to… She’s a social little thing and is a bit harder to train than my pound puppy was. I was wanting to get a wireless system and install in our garage (the center of our property) but have read a few reviews around the web that it doesn’t work on a sloped terrain. There are a few trees, but nothing bigger than 8″ diameter, it’s just the terrain I’m a little concerned about.I don’t want to do a wired system because we will be moving in August and I’d rather not invest the time and money for that, especially when I can use the wireless system camping (can’t do that with the wired). Any guidance would be appreciated!

By the way, all the information on this website is INCREDIBLY helpful… it’s great to have a place with so much information on such a vast array of items, thanks!

Admin- Hi Heather,

I’m afraid that if you have a 10% plus grade in the slope, that the signal will either be really inconsistent or there will not be a signal at all. However, the best wireless system that we offer is the Havahart Radial. The Havahart will give you the best odds of a successful boundary with the slope. Your second option will be a wired in-ground fence. We do find the wired systems to be much more reliable. You could simply install the wire on top off the ground for the meantime and relocate the wire once you move.

Dan Wolfson January 4, 2012 at 7:38 pm

I am looking for a system to keep my cat from jumping two fences on opposite sides of my back yard. I would prefer a wired system that does not have to ring the entire back yard if possible. Is there a single wire rather than a loop available? Cat is over 10 lbs and 7 years old. Thanks!

ADMIN – Hi Dan,

Afraid that at the moment, the only good option for cats it the PetSafe Cat Fence. the wireless options are too big for a cat. It is a wired fence, and does need to be a complete loop. If you are only trying to do the backyard, there are some tricky ways to complete the loop like running the wire up a downspout, across the gutter, and down a downspout on the other side of the house.

Patricia January 4, 2012 at 6:19 am

We are relocating to a new house that does not have a fence. We will eventually put a fence in, but we need a temporary solution to contain our two dogs. We have an 80lb Olde English Bulldogge and a 60lb 6 month Weimaraner puppy. They are used to having a fenced in yard. I have been doing some research with good and bad reviews on all systems on the market. Our yard is virtually flat and just under a 1/2 acre. We will be moving in the winter so not sure that a wired fence that has to be dug in the snow is the best option at this time. Which system do you think is best for out situation? Thank you so much.

ADMIN – Hi Patricia,

The Bulldog is likely to require a stronger correction level than the Weimaraner, so we would want a system which lets us set independent correction levels. For 1/2 an acre and big dogs like yours, the PetSafe Stubborn would be a good choice. (http://www.dogfencediy.com/reviews/petsafe-large-dog/)

With snow, we usually just lay the wire on the surface and either staple it down or place a rock on the corners to stop the wire moving. Then when the ground gets soft we do the permanent burial of the wire.

valarie January 1, 2012 at 10:10 am

Hi There i have a 9 week old German Shepard and 2 little Chihuahuas but I’m not worried about them just the German Shepard. We live in the country with a lot of land next to a really busy fast moving Road.We have been thinking about getting a wireless,we can’t do the wired so what would the best option be?

ADMIN – Hi Valarie,

If you can’t do wired, the best of the wireless systems for a German Shepherd is the Havahart Radial. Just be sure to set the boundary back at least 10 feet form the road. Since the boundary wobbles considerably, you want a big safety buffer between the dog and the road.

Jameson December 28, 2011 at 1:02 am

I have a 2 year old 55lb siberian husky who is well trained and obedient but is still a wanderer at heart, I am currently living in a standard trailer on 22 acres (20 wooded 2 cleared) while i am preparing to build a house. I am a firemedic and work 24 hours on 48 hours off and am therefore not able to be there for a full day. I do not want to inconvenience anyone with having to care for him or check on him while i am at work so i am considering my options for “temporary” fencing, as yard and home boundaries will change drastically upon building of the house. I am installing a doggy door for him because he knows the rules of being inside and i want to have the peace of mind that he is safe if a storm comes in etc. while i am at work. I do not need a very large area, maybe an acre or so, but the rear of the trailer is approx 45ft from woods and there is a lot more room in the front (future home site) I dont want the fence to interfere with the future construction and was therefore considering the wireless fence. However, after reading it seemed that a wired fence covered in conduit without being buried may not be too bad. I will be getting married in 6 months so it will be much easier when he wont be alone for a full 24hrs at a time as anyone who has had a sibe knows they can be mischievous. Also as a side note, this is the southeast and the land connects to a state park, so i have animals galore, and when i do have a finished house and manicured yard i do plan to build a permanent fence, any advice you have, wireless or wired will be gratefully appreciated.

ADMIN – Hi Jameson,

With your wooded terrain the wireless systems aren’t going to work very well, so I would look at the wired fences. As you mentioned, you can run the wire through a protective conduit instead of burying.

For a Husky, the Innotek IUC-4100 is a good choice. With that thick undercoat, the collarfit feature is useful because it lets you know when the collar is properly fitted.

Joan Trojacek December 27, 2011 at 10:33 pm

Will a metal “horse fence” interfere with a Havahart Wireless Custom System? This is my current perimeter.

ADMIN – Hi Joan,

A horse fence will not tend to cause any problems since there are plenty of gaps in the fence. It is more sheet metal that is a problem. However, if you already have a fence in place, consider using a wired fence and attaching the boundary wire to the fence – that would get you a much more consistent boundary without much extra effort.

Jill December 26, 2011 at 3:13 pm

Hi! I have two 50-lb mutts… one is very docile and the other is very stubborn and energetic, and she tends to start dog fights. I would love to install an in-ground dog fence (the SportDog model appealed to me) rather than spending thousands on a traditional fence. My major concern is that the stubborn/aggressive dog will run right through the barrier. How often do these systems simply not work in containing a crazy dog?

ADMIN – Hi Jill,

If you do the training with the dogs it is exceptionally rare that a dog will not be contained. We routinely work with stubborn, high prey drive, and high energy dogs and when you do the 2 weeks of initial training, the dogs respond to the boundary. Properly trained, the dogs should have no comprehension that running through the fence is a possibility, instead they will be conditioned to respond to the correction by turning and retreating away from the boundary.

Amanda December 13, 2011 at 9:02 pm

Hello, I have an Innotek Ultrasmart Contain and Train, wired dog fence with two collars for a 55# Heeler and a 67# mixed breed. We had the system working consistently for a year at one house, then at our current home for one full year.

This past week, that collars started going off at odd locations. Both collars are doing it and they are even triggered when the fence has been turned off and unplugged for 2 days. I’m becoming frustrated by this and hoping that someone may have some insight as how to fix this problem.

More details… Neighbors do not have a dog fence. We’re not running an AM transistor radio at the time of triggering (although unsure of the neighbors). Triggering seems to be fairly reliable around the DirecTV wire at two sides of our house. Again, this happens when the Dog Fence is turned off and unplugged.

Please Help! Thank you for your time, Amanda

ADMIN – Hi Amanda,

The most likely culprit is a neighbor’s fence – but that does not seem to be the case here. We can rule out a collar malfunction since both collars are being affected. I don’t think it is the Direct TV, but it is worth checking out. Unplug the Direct TV line from the satellite dish and switch off the power to the unit and see if the problem persists.

Morgan C November 26, 2011 at 12:26 am

I was almost in the process of purchasing a wireless containment system until I stumbled across your site. I like the convenience of the wireless but I do have a metal roof(did not know this was a problem until your site) but have pretty level ground and no other barriers. I have a very stubborn but clever bloodhound that is nearly impossible to get off of a scent trail once he has picked one up. My concern with the wire system is that he will learn that he can pass the correction zone. I would like him to have about an acre of roaming area. I also live in an area that is very rocky and hard to dig through. Any advice you may have for me on which system would work best would be greatly appreciated!

ADMIN – Hi Morgan,

I would go with a wired fence, particularly given the metal roof. The metal roof is likely to cause significant interference and get you an unreliable boundary line.

If you do the two weeks of training, running through is rarely an issue. Properly trained, the dog believes the only way to make the correction stop is to retreat toward the interior of the correction. Running through only becomes a problem with dogs that aren’t trained, who accidentally learn that running through also stops the correction.

With Bloodhounds, the Innotek IUC-4100 is a good choice – a good reliable system with a rechargeable collar and a small collar. The PetSafe Stubborn would also work well and is little cheaper, although has a larger collar and is not rechargeable.

Cindy Forte November 22, 2011 at 9:48 am

I am wondering which system would work best for my min schnauzer. I have a partially fenced yard – the sides, back and half of the front are fenced. I have a 25 ft length from my garage to the neighbor’s fence that is open. I need to block a straight piece about 25 ft long which is asphalt and cement so I am looking for a wireless system preferably. If really necessary I can bury a wire at the edges of the driveway which is a zig zag shape. Does the fencing system have to be in a circular completed pattern or is there a system that will cover an open area like I have? I am looking for the most reliable and economical solution.

ADMIN – Hi Cindy,
The most reliable, economical solution is to go with an outdoor zone and collar. The bundle you will include the following items: 1 Paws Away Outdoor Rock, 1 Innotek 4100 collar, 1 4100 collar re-charger, 50 flags, and 150 foot roll of boundary wire. These items can be located in our store under these pages: Innotek, Collars, Wire, and Accessories. With the outdoor rock, you can set it up at one end of the opening. Then plug boundary wire into it that will run the length of the opening, make a u-turn and return to the outdoor rock and plug in. You will be creating a long narrow loop that you’ll want separated by about 4 feet. The outdoor rock requires 4, D batteries and the collar is rechargeable.

Eric November 21, 2011 at 11:41 am

Is there a wireless system that also have a remote trainer functionality? I’ve seen the Innotek Contain and Train, but I’d prefer a wireless fence.

ADMIN – Hi Eric,
Unfortunately at this time we are unaware of a wireless fence/training remote combo on the market.

Susan November 20, 2011 at 4:19 pm

We bought a petsafe in ground radio fence, now reading the instructions and seeing that they are not to be used around metal, wondering now what? We have a metal house, metal barn and metal well house. Have 5 acres and want to keep our dog on our property!

ADMIN – Hi Susan,

The warning against metal walls and metal roofs only applies to wireless fences, not the in-ground type of fence that you have.

Sarah November 17, 2011 at 11:38 pm

After reading all this information, I am rethinking a wireless system, so I have wired system questions. I have a German shepherd mix (5 years) and a lab mix (4 years) and I now rent a home, when I used to own. They are great dogs with a loud bark and no bite and are both about 80 pounds, but as they are on the ‘naughty dog’ insurance list, my landlord only agreed to let me move in with a giant liability insurance policy and a containment system. I live in a house on a neighborhood lot with a decent size back yard and a detached garage. My spoiled pups come inside to eat and come inside either the house (crates) or garage to sleep.

Does the wire have to be buried? I am thinking the wire would have to run around the outside of the house and garage and the inside of the yard fence, but there are sidewalks, a driveway, and various other things preventing me from burying the wire. Can I attach the wire to the fence and the house? Can the wire be up high or does it have to be within a certain distance from the collar (ie 2-3 feet from the ground)? I don’t want to just lay it across the sidewalk and doorway, but I need to know if that is the only way. I think that is all. I got a ridiculously large quote from someone and decided that I would do whatever needed to be done myself. I can read and learn and make it work, but I want to make an informed decision that will work for me. Thanks in advance!

ADMIN – Hi Sarah,
No, the wire does not have to be buried. You can run it along the ground and secure it with lawn staples. You can attach the wire both to the house and fence. I recommend insulated staples to prevent wire damage. The signal transmits off the wire at an adjustable radius. So, an acceptable boundary range is between 3 and 12 feet. So, you can suspend the wire off the ground several feet with no problem. And yes, we believe you can do this yourself as well. It’s not difficult. Plus, we provide you our installation and training guide by email. And on top of that, we are available 7 days a week to field any questions you may have.

marina November 15, 2011 at 1:41 am

I’m considering purchasing a wireless system for our vacation property in Mexico with a yard about the size of a town house yard. The house is made out of cement blocks and I wanted to know if the wireless system will have a problem transmiting the signal through the cement and blocks? I’m familar with in ground wire systems as I have invisible fencing system at my home in Canada. The problem I see using the in ground wire system is if I ran the wire on my property the dog would not really have any back yard to roam as you need to keep the warning field wide enough to stop the dog from running through after animals and if the wire was on my property the warning field would be my backyard. I therefore think a wireless system would work better in my situation as I can expand the field for the warning area to be on my neighbors property so that the dog has full use of my small yard, could you let me know your thoughts.? Does the wireless Havahart system require a computer or internet? thanks

I have a invisible fencing system with the wire in the ground but you need about a min. of 5 feet for the boundry to stop the dog from running through and the problem in Mexico is that our yards are so small that if I ran the wire my dog would not be able to use the yard as it would be to small

ADMIN – Hi Marina,

Thick cement walls and bricks might hinder the fence signal which could make it difficult to establish a consistent boundary. However, it’s difficult to know exactly if your home will pose a real problem without giving it a try. No, the Havahart does not require a computer.

Clare November 8, 2011 at 8:07 pm

I live on a rectangular lot that is about 3/4 an acre. I only want my dog to be let into my backyard. She is an extremely hyper 7 month old Lab. We have two very violent dogs that live next to us that have attacked and killed 2 dogs previously. I do not want a wire fence but I’m having trouble finding the right kind of electric fence. My yard is on a hill and I have a few trees in the backyard. What kind of fence should I use?

ADMIN – Hi Clare,

Most wireless fences will only let you have a circular boundary, so are not a great choice if you want a backyard only layout. The Havahart custom, will let you have more flexibility, although it is significantly more expensive than the other wireless fences. Also the hill and tree could be problematic – a good rule of thumb is that if they would block line of site, they will also stop the wireless signal. A wired fence would solve these problem, but of course has the disadvantage that you need to lay the wire.

PS – if the problem is the neighbor’s dogs coming into your yard, none of the electronic fences are going to help, they will only stop your dog going to your neighbor’s property.

Katie November 4, 2011 at 11:12 am

We are researching fence options and the wireless option is our first choice. We have a 7 year old choc lab. Our house has a walk-out basement so our yard slopes on one side. Some of the comments I’ve read here say wired would be our only option. Could we put the base unit in the basement window or would that then cause the signal to not go towards the other side of the house?

ADMIN – Hi Katie,

A wired system is likely the only option where you have that much slope in the yard. If you put the transmitter in the basement you would likely get a signal on the walk-out side, but you would not get a good signal on the side that is underground.

Gary October 26, 2011 at 12:59 am

I am considering a system for my 6 month old 60 pound Akaskan Malamute. I am tossed up between a wireless vs a wired system. I like the ease and convenience of the wireless but am concerned about the effectiveness. If I opt for a wired system, would the IUC-4100 do the job or must I use the stubborn dog unit for which I do not like the collar size or battery arrangement?

ADMIN – Hi Gary,

We rarely recommend a wireless fence over a wired one. Alaskan Malamute’s do very well on the Innotek IUC 4100 and that’s the fence we’d recommend you. Due note that with a Malamute, we also recommend contacting Innotek to purchase the thick fur probes that are essential to making contact through the Malamute’s thick undercoat. The thick fur probe is different than the long probe that comes with the fence.

darryl swain October 13, 2011 at 11:35 am

I have a Rat Terrier who is pretty quick on his feet. On the side of my house, i have a cement driveway and a 25 feet across grass lot. I have an existing fence which run U shape from the front sidewalk enclosing one side of the lot to around the back side of my house. However, i do not have a fence covering the front of my lot and driveway. Please what do you recommend on how i can fence in the front? I hate putting him on a 40 feet leach and I just want him to run around. Fencing off the lot and driveway in the front of my home is not an option. Thank you.

Admin- Hi Darryl,

You have two setup options for the front of your property. The first one is what we call a single sided boundary. You will run twisted wire from you transmitter out to the front of your property and form the boundary loop. The second option would be a whole perimeter install. You would be able to attach the boundary wire to the existing fence in the rear and bury the wire in the front. Please see the links below for the install diagrams.

Single Side: http://www.dogfencediy.com/installation/plan/#singleside
Whole Perimeter: http://www.dogfencediy.com/installation/plan/#perimeter

Tyler October 10, 2011 at 9:17 pm

Hi. We are considering a Havaheart Custom wireless set-up, but have a few questions I hope you can help us with. The first being elevation; the property is roughly 1.5 acres and the house sits towards the back of the lot with a 30 foot drop-off going down the driveway. I would like to know if you think the system would be effective past the drop-off point (and how far). If it is a line of site system, would placing the transmitter on the 2nd floor help? The second question is regarding high tension wires. One edge of our lot has high tension wires and I was wondering if or how this might affect the wireless system. The third question; we have 2 big brick/stone fireplaces on either end of the house, will this likely cause interference.

Should we go with a wire (in-ground) system?

ADMIN – Hi Tyler,

Unfortunately, we cannot speculate how well a wireless fence will operate on your property. It really only comes down to testing it on your property. Wireless fence technology is finicky and the results depend on each property you test it on. Both the Havahart and PetSafe wireless systems create a sphere, not a line of site boundary so placing the transmitter on a second floor will not be of benefit.

There is a low risk of the high tension wires affecting the wireless signal. Walls, trees, buildings, and flat surface area metals are all much bigger factors determining functionality. So, the fireplaces may be a significant barrier for the wireless to travel through.

We always recommend a wired system over a wireless fence. There still is no comparison in reliability and functionality. A wired fence, while creating more work upfront with installation, offers a crisp boundary shaped exactly to the contours of your property and is very low maintenance.

Jess September 26, 2011 at 3:53 pm

Hi, we live on 40 acres with an old farmhouse, old barn, old steel sheds and buildings and such. We bought the Havahart Radial Wireless system. We did not read anywhere in the manual that metal buildings would interfere, we read it over and over. I think they should change this in their manuals. It also still states that the collars are waterproof, they are not, they are only water resistant. Anyway, we installed, tested, trained our houndog and it was working at 95% I would say for about a month. It stopped working well at all and when I called the customer service dept. they were helpful in the way that they admitted to having some bad circuits and had made some changes. So they sent us out a new unit and we sent the bad one back. Two weeks later the new collar completely quit with a solid red light, which is not even an option in the manual. Again I talked to the customer service dept. and they said the circuit went bad and that they would personally see one being tested and sent another new collar, I sent the bad one back. Four days it lasted and there were quite a few dead spots in the yard and it was correcting at wrong times. We also had installed a steel roof on the house during this waiting period for the last collar. Although there wasn’t much change between the last two collars. The houndog figured it out quickly and was back to his old tricks of venturing off for hours. Now the company that makes Havahart is gladly refunding our money when they receive the unit, due to all the time and effort we have all put in to make it work.
So now we are looking at the in-ground fence as that seems to be the option. After reading some of the comments above, I am very curious as to how far away the fence will need to be away from any and all steel buildings on the property so that there isn’t an issue. It does not state on any of the product informations that I have been reading that it is even an issue. So since you seem to know a lot about all of the products I was wondering if you would know this. We have been looking and are really leaning towards the IUC-4100 but I am worried about the signal with buildings and reliability of the wire. What would you suggest? Thanks!

ADMIN – Hi Jess,

The wired dog fences are much more predictable. Unlike the wireless which respond very differently in different homes, you should a very consistent boundary with the wired systems. The electronics are also a lot simpler and more rugged.

You want to keep the wire about six feet away from the steel buildings. The buildings aren’t going to block the signal as they do with the wireless systems, they will actually amplify the signal with the wired systems. So if you run the wire too close and parallel to the steel buildings, you will often get the building itself acting like it is dog fence.

One thing to note – the Innotek is only rated up to 25 acres. If you want to do all 40 acres, take a look at the SportDog SDF-100A

“you seem to know a lot about all of the products” –> Boy thatns Jess, that seems to be a compliment :)

Denice September 25, 2011 at 10:06 pm

We live in wooded area and have a Great Pyrenees and Bernese Mountain Dog. Both have been horse fenced in for approx. 2 yrs. Would like to give more room to roam so would like to go with underground wire fence. What would you recommend? Have many deer in area and want to head dogs off from being able to run after them. Also have a large Pole building and live in a trailer. Does all this aluminum pose a problem? Thank-you!!

ADMIN – Hi Denice,

For a Pyrenees and a Bernese, the SportDog SDF-100A (up to 100 acres), Innotek IUC-4100 (up to 25 acres) or the PetSafe Stubborn (up to 10 acres) would be good choices. All three can comfortably handle larger dogs. The SportDog and PetSafe are a little cheaper, but have bulkier collars and use a disposable battery. The Innotek is a little more expensive, but is smaller and uses a rechargeable battery. All three are reliable, with some training from you would get the job done.

Keep the dog fence boundary line away from the aluminum (10+ feet if possible). If you get the dog fence lines running close and parallel to the aluminum siding on the trailer it can amplify the signal. This leads to unwanted signals around the trailer.

Mark Fletcher September 25, 2011 at 6:24 pm

My yard is fenced on 3 sides and would like to know if there is any way to use a wire or wireless system to contain our lab so that he will not leave the yard through the exposed side.

ADMIN – Hi Mark,

To block the fourth open side – a wired system would be your best bet. You can run a long thin loop along the open side to create a barrier. Or alternatively, you can run the wire along all four sides – for the fenced sides run the wire along the top of the fence – that way the signal will be diminished at ground level along the fence line.

Susan September 20, 2011 at 12:33 pm

We are getting a very well trained 8 yr old Labradoodle. Our entire yard is only 1/3 of an acre or less. The back has traditional fencing on 2/3’s of it already. We just need something across the back portion that connects our neighbors yard and then, the sides of our house to keep our new pup from going out front to the street. There are houses on either side of us that are apprx 25 feet apart – the fences end at that point. So, we are only dealing with 3 small areas where Cooper will be able to get out. I’m thinking wireless but am wondering which would cover such a small radius that would work for us. Suggestions? Thanks!

ADMIN – Hi Susan,

The Pawz Away Rock may be helpful if you only want to block a couple of small areas. You would either place one of these pods in each of the gaps, and create a small loop off each rock to block the area.

Particularly if you have a small area or a long thin-plot (which it sounds like you have), avoid the wireless systems. You need to have such large buffers, that it would shrink down your yard even further and give very little space for the Labradoodle.

Shannon September 20, 2011 at 10:50 am

We have a lovely Beagle who likes to go for her own walks. We have had a wire electirc fence for 5 years now. It recently was blown up by a lightning strike We were thinking about wireless do to the fact that in the winter if the snow is too high the transmission to her color doesnt work so she can escape all winter long as we can’t get to the line with all the snow on it. She has about an acre of freedom. Also no one can watch the dog if we go on vacation but with wireless we should be able to eliminate those problems. My only concern is that we live on the top of a small hill and have pine trees circling our home. currently the pine trees are the line where we have the wired fence so her area is all cleared. Not sure if the wireless will work or not and it is expensive if it doesn’t work for us!

ADMIN – Hi Shannon,

It is difficult to predict how much the wireless will like a particular property. We would prefer you to stick to wired, but if you want to try wireless and it does not work for you we will take it back (for 30 days)

In your favor, you have the fact that the dog is already trained, which will help make training her on the wireless much easier. Also you have trees beyond the boundary line which will mean less interference.

Working against you, the land sounds like it slopes down away from the house which reduces the quality of the wireless signal. A good rule, is that if it is steep enough that you don’t get a line of site down the slope it is not going to work.

Laura September 17, 2011 at 9:41 pm

Hi! Looking for wireless suggestions for our 2 dogs. We have a 75lb lab and a 30lb bloodhound/lab puppy. We’ve had a Petsafe inground fence before. Our lab was shocked once by it and never went out in back again. We would really like to go for the wireless at this time, but also want something gentle. What can you suggest? Thanks!

ADMIN – Hi Laura,

The Havahart Radial Wireless would be your best choice, and you can set the correction levels to the lowest setting to start. Also if you have a nervous dog, the first week of training where there is no correction is particularly important. That gives your dog a good foundation to understand why they get the shock and how to make it stop. So equipped, the dog is much less likely to get fearful.

For ease of training, the wired systems would be a better bet. The inconsistency of the wireless boundary lines make the correction less predictable which is what causes nervousness in dogs more than the actual correction level.

Tahna September 7, 2011 at 9:38 am

We have two huskies that like to stay around the home unless there is something that catches their eye, and then it is their mission to get whatever caught their attention. We live in a home that has a tin roof and we are surrounded by pine trees. I really like the idea of putting the collar on and letting them outside by themselves. Where the fence should go for the in ground is all trees and would be horrible to dig up a trench. Would Wireless work well for us?

ADMIN – Hi Tahna,

With a metal roof and trees, the wireless is not going to work well for you.

To use a wired fence in a tree filled area, if the area is not mowed, then we just staple the wire down to the ground with lawn staples. Trying to bury the wire among tree roots is not fun!

JD August 31, 2011 at 3:22 pm

I have a 20 lb. terrier, that will chase anything that runs from him (hardheaded), We only have around half acre at most, with lake frontage. We have a side walk going down the middle and 30 ft side of house with inside storage on the west side, sort of a flag pole with flag configuration. We would like to know what system would work best. THANK YOU JD

ADMIN – Hi JD,

If you are looking at a wireless fence, the Havahart radial wireless would be your best bet. Of course if you can lay down wire, the Innotek IUC-4100 would be even better.

As to being hard-headed, training is the key. With the two initial weeks of training, it is rare for a dog to not be contained.

gerry August 27, 2011 at 6:52 pm

i have a paved equip yard with no power outlet, 2 big stubborn dogs. The yard is 180 ft x 180 ft, do you have something that is solar powered or battery powered ? i have a solar powered horse fence that doesn’t do much as they are smart and get around it, that is why i think a shock collar would work.

Admin- Hi Gerry,

Unfortunately we do not offer a system that is solar powered. The Innotek IUC-4100 offers a battery back up. The system can operate for 40-hours on fresh batteries. Note the system would need to be in a secure location from the elements (wind, rain, snow).

Brian August 18, 2011 at 1:54 pm

I have a Decker Terrier, which is similar to a large rat terrrier. I have about wired in ground fence around 3 acres. Which includes a couple outbuildings and a small patch of woods. Being a terrier he chased a rabbit outside the line where he learned the shock is only temporary. Now when he disides to chase something he just charges through it even though the everything is on the highest setting. I am looking for something to contain the similar area but will continue to correct him while he is outside the area. Can you help me?

Bob August 7, 2011 at 11:02 pm

Considering buying a Havahart spherical wireless fencing system. Please clarify whether the objects that cause signal interference or interruption lie within and beyond the boundary or just within the boundary?

I have a metal utility building situated beyond the distance from where I would set the correction. So, will the signal be degraded in that perimeter chord of the circle or not?

Conversely, our house contains aluminum garage doors and there is a detached brick workshop building also with a metal garage door. All these objects lie within the 200 foot radius I want to set up. Will the Havahart system fail completely on this side of the circle as a result of these objects blocking the signal transmission?

ADMIN – Hi Bob,

The main cause of signal interruption issues are large metal objects inside the boundary. There would no issue with the utility building outside the perimeter. Metal garage doors can also create a problem but are usually less of a problem because the area is smaller. If possible, keep the systems as far away from the garage doors as possible.

Melanie August 6, 2011 at 8:12 pm

We have two large breed dogs, a german shepherd and a golden retriever. The golden is primarily a house dog and the shepherd is primarily a yard dog. I would like to set two zones for the german shepherd. One for daytime to confine her to the back 1/2 acre of our yard to prevent her access to the driveway, front door and parking area. The second area would be night time to allow her to patrol the immediate perimeter of the entire house. Is this possible to create two zones for her. The golden would need to have access to the entire area. Our yard is level and rectangular. We do not have metal roofing. Melanie

ADMIN – Hi Melanie,

You can’t have a two zone system with a wireless system. With a wired system, you could do a hourglass style layout that will create a separate front and back zone. For more information take a look at our Installation –> Layouts section for some diagrams.

Mark Holman August 5, 2011 at 12:18 pm

As for inground fencing, due to the configuration of our yard we need to do just a single ‘cross fence’ but there is not enough room to come back with a loop without having it too close to the ‘cross fence, which as i understand would cancel the parallel cross fence. can we run a single cross fence, and then loop back some distance away with a triple loop which would be inactive?
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Admin- Hi Mark,

Sorry, there is no way to create a dead spot in the middle of the boundary loop. The boundary wire will have to make a complete loop for it to work properly. Your best option will be our single sided boundary layout.

Single sided: http://www.dogfencediy.com/installation/plan/#singleside

Kris August 4, 2011 at 9:23 pm

We have two scenarios we need to deal with. Our entire lot is 8 acres. We have a Great Pyr who loves to run. We want to keep her contained in a 2 acre area that is fenced using 4 ft non-climb horse fencing, with one side also having wood fencing along it. Our metal barn sits along one corner of this area.

We also have two other dogs – a 15 yr old, 17 pound Westie and a 9 mo old 80 pound Great Dane pup. We have a 6 ft high patio with stairs going down to ground level in the back. We want to let the dogs out and contain them in the back section of the yard, but not let them get to the fenced pasture area where the Great Pyr needs to stay. I would like the Great Pyr to be able to extend outside her fenced area,and be able to play with the other dogs, if able.

I saw the post about using 2 systems, but not sure a wireless would work. What do you recommend? Thank you.

Admin- Hi Kris,

A great fence for your set-up will be the PetSafe Stubborn/Large Dog system. We recommend the PetSafe Stubborn Dog collar for the Great Pyrenees and the Great Dane. The best collar for the Westie will be the PetSafe Deluxe. The PetSafe Stubborn dog fence comes with 500 feet of wire. To complete your project set-up you will need a total of 3000 feet of wire.

You will be able to run the complete loop around your property to contain the Great Pyrenees. Then you will be able to create a secondary boundary inside of your main loop to contain the other two dogs. Please view our layouts page for exclusion zones.

Exclusion zones: http://www.dogfencediy.com/installation/plan/#exclusion

Matt August 3, 2011 at 8:44 pm

Hello Stewart, my question, I need a wireless fence for my does. Does the PetSafe PIF-300 interfere with wireless internet signal in my house?? Thank you very much, Matt

ADMIN – Hi Matt,

The wireless dog fences (and the wired dog fences) do not interfere with Wireless Internet.

Greg August 2, 2011 at 10:55 am

Is it necessary to bury the wired fences? We rent a house and don’t want to dig up the property. There’s also an asphalt driveway around the front door.

ADMIN – Hi Greg,

There is no need to bury the wire on a dog containment system, the system works fine above ground. You probably want to bury wire in sections where the lawn is mowed – otherwise the lawnmower will tear up the wire.

Across the driveway, the wire does not need to be buried – it is surprisingly resilient to being driven over (the only applies to smooth asphalt/concrete driveways, not the more abrasive gravel driveways; also note that if the driveway is snow plowed that will tear up the wire). You may need to replace the driveway section of wire every 1-2 years, but that is no big deal.

Terri July 29, 2011 at 9:40 pm

We are being relocated and while waiting to sell our home we will be renting. We have a german shepard and labradoodle who are used to a fenced backyard. Our rental home does not have a fence. What do you think our best option would be?

Thank you for any guidance you can give

Admin- Hi Terri,

The best option will be the PetSafe Stubborn/Large Dog fence. You will be able to use the included Stubborn dog collar on the German Shepard and bundle in an additional PetSafe Deluxe collar for the Labradoodle. With the PetSafe Stubborn dog system you will have independent correction level; therefore, you will be able to set the correction level for each dog on the collar itself.

Peggy July 4, 2011 at 7:11 pm

I have a Petsafe stubborn dog inground system that covers 10 acres. We have just gotten a little beagle and this is too much area to locate her. We want to keep this big area for the bigger dogs. Could we get a wireless system to contain the beagle inside the 10 acres? Will the 2 systems interfere with each other? What would be the preferable system; flat ground, quite a few trees and bushes, no metal problems. Thanks

ADMIN – Hi Peggy,

The wireless fences do not interfere with the wired systems – the two can coexist happily.

The best of the wireless systems is the Havahart radial – note that the Havahart and indeed all the wireless systems do not do well with a lot of trees in the yard.

Melody July 2, 2011 at 4:27 pm

Hi, I have read the reviews and comments on the Havahart wireless system but still don’t know the answer to my question …we have an Elkhound cross that really likes to go golfing in the summer months. (He doesn’t leave the yard when the Golf Course is closed for the season) My question is: we have a bi-level stuccoed house, if we put the transmitter in the basement (which is a wood basement that is 4′ above ground) by a window, would we still have problems with the metal in the stucco for the radio signal? Also we have a few oak trees by the house too….would we have to keep him towards the back of the house only? I had at one time bought a “shock” collar, and it worked even on medium to low for him. Problem was we couldn’t pick up the phone or remote, because he thought he was going to get a shock, so we stopped using it. I’m hoping this would be a good product for us as we have a lot of open area before the bush area of our property, but really would rather not go with the wired fence.
Also:Our neighbour has a nice sized dog kennel made of metal posts and wire, will that affect our boundary line as well? As it’s right on our property line where our firepit area is. thanks

ADMIN – Hi Melody,

A golfing Elk Hound … formidable!

If the above ground basement is wood, then the signal should be able to get out even if the floor above has metal walls. The occasional tree is fine, the problems emerge where there is a strand of trees that create a ‘wall,’ blocking the signal.

The neighbor’s dog kennel with metal posts and wire should not be a problem. It is sheet metal than causes most of the problems, not thin section of metal (like posts and wires).

Amy June 29, 2011 at 2:48 pm

We have two large dogs that are used to an underground fence at home, but we are considering getting an RV and a wireless fence to have a small (campsite) size area “fenced” for travel. We also plan to flag the perimeter at each new location and we would monitor the dogs outside.

I do worry about obstructions, but I think if we kept the area small enough, we could avoid most trees, etc. However, I’m not sure if a wired or wireless fence would be a better option in this case. What would you suggest?

ADMIN – Hi Amy,

I prefer to use a wired fence even with an RV, just stapling down the wire at each new site. It is a little more work but it is a lot more consistent and is not prone to any interference.

Wireless systems have trouble going through the metal of an RV, meaning you have to put them on the roof. As you mentioned they also have a lot of problems with obstacles like trees. They are however a lot easier in terms of installation. And with previously trained dogs, they are just as effective in keeping the dogs contained.

Dialer June 22, 2011 at 11:24 pm

I just purchased the Havahart system, and it has too many holes in it to work well. It appears that angles that go through my garage and my neighbors garage create openings for my Puggle. Is it because of the cars, the garage door, or something else that I’m forgetting. Thanks.

ADMIN – Hi Dialer,

If the garage doors are metal, that could well be what is causing gaps in the system coverage. The metal garage doors block the signal and if there aren’t enough signals getting around the sides you get gaps in the system.

Wendy June 20, 2011 at 4:16 pm

I have a 3 acre rectangle property bordered on the north by a sizable creek that likely will deter my rat terrier. The long south and short east & west property lines are what I am most concerned with. Does the wireless systems come in any projection range other than a circle? Can I get may be 2 or 3 units to project the 3 property boundaries I am most concerned about?

ADMIN – Hi Wendy,

There are two wireless options where you want a rectangle rather than a circle.

(1) The Havahart Custom Wireless Fence lets you have a completely custom shape.

(2) The PetSafe Wireless system lets you only have circles. But, you can overlap units to get something closer to a rectangle.

James June 9, 2011 at 11:26 am

Hi, my name is James and I have a few quick questions about the havahart wireless fence and the Petsafe PIF-300. I want to get one of these units for my 4 month old Pitbull. My mini austrailian shepherd, our family dog, has a wireless fence and my new puppy the pitbull is currently using a runner, which trips everyone, we’re scared it’s going to hurt one of the dogs as they like to roll around and play kind of rough and the pitbull, colby, goes to my house, my girlfriends, my house at school, our cottage, pretty much everywhere my girlfriend and I go. So we wanted a wireless one to take with us when we go places to make everything easier. Now my dilemma is, the havahart you say is the best, however how well do you think the collar will stand up to rougher play? Versus the more bulky seemingly more durable collar in the Petsafe? My second question is I know you say the lines shift greater for the petsafe, is that just at a large distance? I will never have either of them set to their potential, my lot is not that big. How much is a replacement collar for either, if you know? Is the havahart really that much better that regardless of the collars it’s by far the better option? Lastly, how do these units do with elevation? I have a walkout basement, so my front yard is maybe 10ft higher than the backyard, if I have the unit on my main level, which would be 10 or so feet above my backyard and directly even with my front yard, would it still work? Vice versa is I have the unit at my backyard level would it keep her in the front yard that is 10 of so feet higher than the back? Or would I have to pick front or back yard to zone in the area?
Sorry that this is a million questions, but it’s hard to get answers from just descriptions of the two units. Thanks in advance for your help! Thanks, James

ADMIN – Hi James,

(1) The Havahart is by far the better of the two and the price difference is small, so it would be my choice. Extra collars on the Havahart are $150, they are $120 for the PetSafe.

Both collars are comparable in terms of durability. The Havhart is a bit bigger and has no external controls which is great for durability. The PetSafe is a little better in terms of waterproofing – it is fully waterproof, unlike the Havahart which is only water resistant (i.e. it can stand up to rain but not full immersion)

To stop rough play with collars, we usually spray them with something unpleasant like Bitter Apple for a few days so the dogs get out of the habit.

(2) With elevation, our rule of thumb is that if you can get a line of site it is likley to work, if you cannot get a line of site it is unlikely to work (imagining all the buildings were made of glass so you could see through them). I would place the unit on the higher main floor, not the lower basement.

Our test were run with all the systems set at the same boundary radius (70 feet). As you rightly point out, the test would be unfair if you set everything to their maximum capacity.

Dave B. June 2, 2011 at 10:18 pm

I have a question regarding the Havahart Custom wireless system. I have two dogs, both weighing about 45 lbs each, who both will take off at will to chase animals when they see them. A couple of years ago, I purchased a professionally installed wired pet containment system and trained my dogs to remain in the yard. Unfortunately, the instinct to chase animals often overtook them, and they would bolt through the wired containment field, suffer the correction, but keep running so that they would quickly get beyond the correction field radius, and the the correction would stop. I had the installer come out 3 times for professional training sessions and to increase the correction levels, and the dogs would pass with flying colors. Yet they continued to run through the correction field when I would let them out into the yard later. Finally I gave up, worked out a deal with the company from whom I purchased the fence so that I only had to make a partial payment, and returned the collars and transmitter.

Since the dogs are trained to respond to sound and static corrections, I currently let them out with remote training collars on and manually correct them if they breach the boundaries of the yard. That way, they cannot simply run until the correction stops since I can continue to correct them. They always come back to the middle of the yard after a few seconds, responding to even the lowest correction setting. My yard is not very big, probably 60′ X 40′, but I’m trying to find a way to contain my dogs without having to sit by the window watching them. They love to run and play outside, so I like to leave them out for 10 – 20 minutes, but that’s hard to do when I have to watch them.

My question is whether or not the Havahart wireless system would continue to correct the dogs when they run beyond the boundaries. If it does, they would respond to it after a few seconds and would return to the yard. If the correction cuts out, though, like with the wired system, I won’t waste my money trying a new system. Thanks in advance for your help, and for all of the information you provide.

ADMIN – Hi Dave,

The wireless units do continue to correct the dog even once they have gone through the boundary. Usually for about 30 seconds, after which time the collar time-out kicks in as a safety feature.

It will be easier because it sounds like the dogs are at least partially trained. But, I suspect with your having a small yard, the Havahart Custom will have some drawbacks, most notably it will remove at least a 5-10 foot margin all along the boundaries because of the boundary wobble issue.

You might also want to retry a wired fence. You can just staple the wire down if you are concerned it does not work. Using our training protocol, particularly the third step where you introduce temptations and simulate off leash by dropping the leash, we usually get good results – even in situation where professional trainers have failed. If you have a remote trainer handy, you can even supplement the dog fence to make running through impossible in the training phase. The key is for the dogs to never thing that running is a possibility.

Kristin May 31, 2011 at 11:33 pm

Read through most of the comments above, but did not see anything said regarding moles & ground squirrels. Is that a concern for a wired system? Was going for the wireless, but now realize that the circle perimeter might cut off their already known area and don’t want to confuse them. We, of course, need something super reliable. We have a Belgian Sheepdog/chow mix over 70 lbs who is new to our family so don’t know how he will react when he sees his first deer, but I can tell you he is crazy about chasing squirrels, rabbits, lizards etc. We also have a 17 lb Havanese. Is there a system that allows you to place stakes around your property which we could attach sensors to? Please help me narrow my options down. Thanks P.S. We only need about 1/4 acre of coverage.

ADMIN – Hi Kristin,

With wired dog fences, you can get the ocassional break with a critter chewing through the wire. If there are areas where you are particularly concerned, you can place the wire in a protective conduit (old water hose pipe, or sprinkler system conduit) or use the thicker 14 gauge wire which is stronger and has a thicker layer of insulation.

Where you are particularly concerned about some trigger getting the dog in a high energy state where they may disregard the boundary rules, it is good to work this into the training. We usually do this in Step Three of the training, and we will expose the dog to things we know get them excited so they learn the lesson that they have to obey the boundary rules regardless of what is tempting them.

The new Havahart Custom lets you have a completely customized layout with a wireless system. You don’t use stakes, instead you walk around the perimeter with the controller and the system remembers your layout.

A good wired system with your two dogs would be the PetSafe Stubborn Dog Fence. With that much difference in size, the PetSafe systems are good because they let you mix-and-match collars. Use the included collar with the larger dog, and use an extra PetSafe Deluxe Dog Fence collar with the smaller Havanese.

ian May 26, 2011 at 6:32 pm

Hi, i have a little border collie who is not much of a problem but i also have a big malalute husky. He loves to chase deer, elk and moose. What system can i use to contain them both especially him as his prey drive is pretty strong.

ADMIN – Hi Ian,

These electronic containment systems work well with Alaskan Malamutes and Huskies, because while stubborn they are also very motivated to avoid the correction. They tend to respond without the need for a lot of correction. The tricky thing with those dogs is to get the collar fitted so that the prongs are correctly contacting the skin – so you need to thin out the hair around the neck and take care when placing the collar on the dog.

If you are looking at wireless systems, the Havahart Radial is the best of the lot and would work well with those two dogs.

For a wired system with a Border Collie and a Husky, the Innotek IUC-4100 would be a good choice. The collar includes long prongs and has a test mode that lets you know if the collar is properly fitted – good since you have two long hair dogs. It does not have independent correction, which means both dogs will need to be on the same correction level or you need to wrap a resistor around one of the collars – I would suspect that this will not be necessary, both those dogs sound like they would be a medium.

The PetSafe Stubborn would also be a good choice, it would let you have independent correction levels for each dog. The PetSafe does not have the long prongs included in the box, (they are available for $15 through PetSafe) It is not rechargeable and is a little bigger, but is also reliable.

Cheryl & Jeff May 17, 2011 at 3:14 pm

Would these wireless systems work well for 2 daschunds?

ADMIN – Hi Cheryl & Jeff,

Training dachshunds on a dog fence is no big deal. With the wireless systems the collars are a lot bigger than the wired systems, so you can only use them with bigger dogs. So with smaller Daschunds, you may be better off with a smaller wired collar. Our rule of thumb is that dogs are 20lbs are too small for the wireless collars.

All the wireless systems can handle two dogs.

WaynokaStarr May 17, 2011 at 8:53 am

Hi. I’m renting a house in Maryland. I have a few questions about whether you think the Havahart Wireless System will work in my situation. My dog is a chow-chow/shepherd mix, about 55 pounds. She extremely smart, and I believe she would train very quickly (she’s strictly outside but is already used to a physical electric fence).

Metal: There is an existing chain link fence running one side of the property that the wireless fence would need to overlap in order to give her the space in my yard that I would like to give her. Also, the house has very thin sheet-metal studs.

Trees: The majority of the yard is cleared, but there are a few trees within the yard and it is surrounded by woods.

Slope: There is a slight slope to the yard, but it is not too steep. The backyard is level with the basement, whereas the front is about 1/2 a floor higher (steps at the front porch to go into house at the first floor). I consider it to be a gradual incline, but I didn’t know if this would be too much for the system.

Batteries: Lastly, she’s a strictly outside dog, and I’ve never really dealt with collars that had batteries since she’s always had a physical electric fence. Is this something that I’ll have to do daily? If not, what frequency should I anticipate for dealing with the collar?

Your advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

ADMIN – Hi Waynoka,

Metal: Chain link fences are not a problem. It is wide sheets of metal that are a problem. Similarly, metal studs are not a problem.

Trees: The occasional tree is fine. Once you get to the woods, the signal will not be able to penetrate past the trees. So, you need to have a boundary that is before the start of the woods.

Slope: As a rule of thumb, the wireless systems work with a slope that allows line of site. So a slight slope is fine, but if you can’t see down the slope it is too steep.

Batteries: The Havahart systems require the collar to be recharged every 2-3 days. They Havaharts two batteries so you can have one battery charging while the second is in use.

Ed Smallwood May 14, 2011 at 5:08 pm

I am considering purchasing the Havahart Wireless System. I have a 90 lb Old English Sheepdog and a 12 lb Shih Tzu. I know the collar will be fine for the Sheepdog, but what about the Shih Tzu? Thanks you.

ADMIN – Hi Ed,

Unfortunately all the collars from the current wireless dog fence systems will be much too big for the Shih Tzu. They don’t work well with any dogs under 20lbs because they are too big and heavy for a little dog. There are really only two good options for small dogs: (1) a wired system, (2) tying the small dog to the big dog.

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