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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.dogfencediy.com/reviews/petsafe-large-dog/#comment-1278</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 00:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, we plan on installing the stubborn dog system soon. My questions is about the wire used. We have 10ac and would like to fence as much as we can. We will be installing above ground with stakes. Q: Can I use any type of wire, and if so is stranded better than solid, also, is copper mandatory or can aluminum/stainless steel work with the fences?

Hi Mike,

You can use pretty much any copper wire that is insulated.  I would not use steel or aluminum they are not great conductors compared to copper.  Stranded and solid core wire both work.  Solid is slightly better than stranded because it will not corrode as fast if the insulation gets compromised .. but the difference is not enough to justify getting the solid core if you already have stranded.

The PetSafe Stubborn is good to 10 acres, but when you are close to the limit, I like to go up to a higher capacity system.  Consider the SportDog SDF-100, it is good to 100 acres and is effectively the same price when you factor in the extra wire it contains.  It is also compatible with the PetSafe Stubborn collars if you need them for some of your dogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, we plan on installing the stubborn dog system soon. My questions is about the wire used. We have 10ac and would like to fence as much as we can. We will be installing above ground with stakes. Q: Can I use any type of wire, and if so is stranded better than solid, also, is copper mandatory or can aluminum/stainless steel work with the fences?</p>
<p>Hi Mike,</p>
<p>You can use pretty much any copper wire that is insulated.  I would not use steel or aluminum they are not great conductors compared to copper.  Stranded and solid core wire both work.  Solid is slightly better than stranded because it will not corrode as fast if the insulation gets compromised .. but the difference is not enough to justify getting the solid core if you already have stranded.</p>
<p>The PetSafe Stubborn is good to 10 acres, but when you are close to the limit, I like to go up to a higher capacity system.  Consider the SportDog SDF-100, it is good to 100 acres and is effectively the same price when you factor in the extra wire it contains.  It is also compatible with the PetSafe Stubborn collars if you need them for some of your dogs.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am getting ready to install my stubborn dog fence. I would like to know if i need to make any additional steps or parts for having the system protected from lighting thanks

ADMIN - Hi Chris,

You need to add in the lightning protection module, to protect the system if lightning strikes the boundary wire.  The module acts like a fuse and protects the system in case a surge of electricity comes back through the wire.

This video shows you how to hook up the lightning protection:  http://www.dogfencediy.com/installation/mounting-box/

This is where you can get the module:  http://dogfencediy.com/store/accessories/lightning-protection.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am getting ready to install my stubborn dog fence. I would like to know if i need to make any additional steps or parts for having the system protected from lighting thanks</p>
<p>ADMIN &#8211; Hi Chris,</p>
<p>You need to add in the lightning protection module, to protect the system if lightning strikes the boundary wire.  The module acts like a fuse and protects the system in case a surge of electricity comes back through the wire.</p>
<p>This video shows you how to hook up the lightning protection:  <a href="http://www.dogfencediy.com/installation/mounting-box/" rel="nofollow">http://www.dogfencediy.com/installation/mounting-box/</a></p>
<p>This is where you can get the module:  <a href="http://dogfencediy.com/store/accessories/lightning-protection.html" rel="nofollow">http://dogfencediy.com/store/accessories/lightning-protection.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://www.dogfencediy.com/reviews/petsafe-large-dog/#comment-1225</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 20:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have two,  2 year old English Mastiff siblings that weigh approx. 180 lbs. 
We want to contain them in the back yard from eating our shrubs and flowers. 
Looking for advice on the best system. Wireless would be cool, but doesn&#039;t appear as reliable as underground.  Thanks

ADMIN - Hi Rick,

Definitely the PetSafe Stubborn.  With that weight and breed, you are likely to need the higher strength correction levels of the Stubborn.

Avoid the wireless dog fence systems, they really aren&#039;t very reliable.  The wired systems are a bit more work for the installation but you will be glad you did it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have two,  2 year old English Mastiff siblings that weigh approx. 180 lbs.<br />
We want to contain them in the back yard from eating our shrubs and flowers.<br />
Looking for advice on the best system. Wireless would be cool, but doesn&#8217;t appear as reliable as underground.  Thanks</p>
<p>ADMIN &#8211; Hi Rick,</p>
<p>Definitely the PetSafe Stubborn.  With that weight and breed, you are likely to need the higher strength correction levels of the Stubborn.</p>
<p>Avoid the wireless dog fence systems, they really aren&#8217;t very reliable.  The wired systems are a bit more work for the installation but you will be glad you did it.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy Johnsen</title>
		<link>http://www.dogfencediy.com/reviews/petsafe-large-dog/#comment-1213</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy Johnsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We inherited a 8-10 mo. sheperd/great dane mix puppy in the fall.  We put up chain link fence at the cost of $5,000 to keep him in the yard, not really knowing anything about his past. He has now discovered he can jump the fence and does it every time he is outside. We have had to put him back onto a long tether. There is an elementary school down the road from us and although he&#039;s never been violent with us, he has inflicted some substantial scratches/bruises on us from his toenails while being playful.   Is it feasible to place a wireless fence under or adjacent to a chain link? and would he be a good candidate for this type of fence?
Thanks

ADMIN - Hi Sandy, 

I would run the containment fence wire along the chain link fence (you can either weave if through the chain links, or zip tie it in place).  The PetSafe Stubborn is a good choice for a German Shepherd / Great Dane Mix, the size and low pain sensitivity of the German make it useful to have the higher correction levels of the Stubborn (although you may find you don&#039;t need it).  If you do the training regularly I think you will be pleased with your results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We inherited a 8-10 mo. sheperd/great dane mix puppy in the fall.  We put up chain link fence at the cost of $5,000 to keep him in the yard, not really knowing anything about his past. He has now discovered he can jump the fence and does it every time he is outside. We have had to put him back onto a long tether. There is an elementary school down the road from us and although he&#8217;s never been violent with us, he has inflicted some substantial scratches/bruises on us from his toenails while being playful.   Is it feasible to place a wireless fence under or adjacent to a chain link? and would he be a good candidate for this type of fence?<br />
Thanks</p>
<p>ADMIN &#8211; Hi Sandy, </p>
<p>I would run the containment fence wire along the chain link fence (you can either weave if through the chain links, or zip tie it in place).  The PetSafe Stubborn is a good choice for a German Shepherd / Great Dane Mix, the size and low pain sensitivity of the German make it useful to have the higher correction levels of the Stubborn (although you may find you don&#8217;t need it).  If you do the training regularly I think you will be pleased with your results.</p>
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		<title>By: Tamera</title>
		<link>http://www.dogfencediy.com/reviews/petsafe-large-dog/#comment-1208</link>
		<dc:creator>Tamera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 19:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have taken in a Boxer for a friend for the next 2 years.  We have an acre of land that is fenced in but she constantly gets out of the yard.  I have to assume she&#039;s climbing or jumping the fence since there are no holes in at the fence. She&#039;s 3 years old,  weighs about 80 lbs, is very stubborn and does not respond to any commands or training.  We have been cited by the city twice because of the leash laws.  She is now on a 25&#039; dog run which doesn&#039;t give her much room for exercise, and she&#039;s always getting tangled in bushes, trees, etc.   Invisible fencing may be our only option.  Do you think the PetSafe Stubborn  Fence is the right option?  Will it work for a dog that climbs fences?  How easy is it to install?

ADMIN - Hi Tamara,

The PetSafe stubborn is a good choice for a boxer.  They can be less sensitive to the correction, but are otherwise easy to train.  The climbing will not be an issue, because we are going to stop her from getting too close to the fence, and she certainly won&#039;t have time to attempt an ascent of Mount Fencistan.   Installation is easy if you already have a fence in place.  Just attach the wire to the existing fence using staples, or zip ties, then get right into training.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have taken in a Boxer for a friend for the next 2 years.  We have an acre of land that is fenced in but she constantly gets out of the yard.  I have to assume she&#8217;s climbing or jumping the fence since there are no holes in at the fence. She&#8217;s 3 years old,  weighs about 80 lbs, is very stubborn and does not respond to any commands or training.  We have been cited by the city twice because of the leash laws.  She is now on a 25&#8242; dog run which doesn&#8217;t give her much room for exercise, and she&#8217;s always getting tangled in bushes, trees, etc.   Invisible fencing may be our only option.  Do you think the PetSafe Stubborn  Fence is the right option?  Will it work for a dog that climbs fences?  How easy is it to install?</p>
<p>ADMIN &#8211; Hi Tamara,</p>
<p>The PetSafe stubborn is a good choice for a boxer.  They can be less sensitive to the correction, but are otherwise easy to train.  The climbing will not be an issue, because we are going to stop her from getting too close to the fence, and she certainly won&#8217;t have time to attempt an ascent of Mount Fencistan.   Installation is easy if you already have a fence in place.  Just attach the wire to the existing fence using staples, or zip ties, then get right into training.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://www.dogfencediy.com/reviews/petsafe-large-dog/#comment-1157</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 18:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have an Anatolian Shepherd who has decided that even when we are outside in the yard with him and have a neighbor dog over playing with him, the Newfoundland puppy across the street looks like more fun and zip, zip, bang! He&#039;s gone over the fence to the neighbors. Is this the system for us? He&#039;s a sweet dog, but not very mentally mature yet and I&#039;m afraid he will get hit by a car.

ADMIN - Hi Mary,

The stubborn dog system is the best choice for an Anatolian, many of them need a strong correction to refocus their attention back to the boundary once they have something else (like the neighbour&#039;s puppy) in their heads.  They are definately harder to train than say a lab, but it is very doable.  Just be consistent with your training, and you should get good results. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have an Anatolian Shepherd who has decided that even when we are outside in the yard with him and have a neighbor dog over playing with him, the Newfoundland puppy across the street looks like more fun and zip, zip, bang! He&#8217;s gone over the fence to the neighbors. Is this the system for us? He&#8217;s a sweet dog, but not very mentally mature yet and I&#8217;m afraid he will get hit by a car.</p>
<p>ADMIN &#8211; Hi Mary,</p>
<p>The stubborn dog system is the best choice for an Anatolian, many of them need a strong correction to refocus their attention back to the boundary once they have something else (like the neighbour&#8217;s puppy) in their heads.  They are definately harder to train than say a lab, but it is very doable.  Just be consistent with your training, and you should get good results.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://www.dogfencediy.com/reviews/petsafe-large-dog/#comment-1142</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 06:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m considering this fence over the sportdog because of the ability to match different sized dogs.  We plan on getting a golden retriever and a cockapoo (or other similar sized dog).  We live on 5 acres and plan on above ground applications.  Would this be the best system?  Also there are areas were farm tractors might run over the cable, can we have some areas above ground and some areas underground?  Or would it just be best to bury it all?

ADMIN - Hi Craig,

You can have some sections above ground and other sections below ground.  It is not a big deal.  The only thing to watch out for is that it makes the boundary a little thinner in the areas you bury it compared to the unburied section, so set your boundary width accordingly.  The Stubborn is the better choice for your situation because of the ability to mix in the other PetSafe collars.  The stubborn collar would work well on the retriever (but you should keep it on the low settings and get the long prongs); and you can use either a PetSafe Little Dog collar on the cockapoo.  A SportDog SDF-100 collar would be too big for the cockapoo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m considering this fence over the sportdog because of the ability to match different sized dogs.  We plan on getting a golden retriever and a cockapoo (or other similar sized dog).  We live on 5 acres and plan on above ground applications.  Would this be the best system?  Also there are areas were farm tractors might run over the cable, can we have some areas above ground and some areas underground?  Or would it just be best to bury it all?</p>
<p>ADMIN &#8211; Hi Craig,</p>
<p>You can have some sections above ground and other sections below ground.  It is not a big deal.  The only thing to watch out for is that it makes the boundary a little thinner in the areas you bury it compared to the unburied section, so set your boundary width accordingly.  The Stubborn is the better choice for your situation because of the ability to mix in the other PetSafe collars.  The stubborn collar would work well on the retriever (but you should keep it on the low settings and get the long prongs); and you can use either a PetSafe Little Dog collar on the cockapoo.  A SportDog SDF-100 collar would be too big for the cockapoo.</p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
		<link>http://www.dogfencediy.com/reviews/petsafe-large-dog/#comment-1130</link>
		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a the stubborn fence.    Had it for a year now and my German Shepard is now going thru we trained him I though very well he had never gone thru until now.   We cant keep him in now its on max.  Any ideas for a dog that was trained and did well and now for some reason has stopped noticing the shock.  Please any suggestions.  I couldnt say enough good things about this fence I loved it until now but I dont blame the fence I just want to enjoy it again like I did before.

ADMIN - Hi JJ,

Two likely culprits.  The first and most common reason is that we start to be less careful when we put on the collar so we are not getting contact with the dog&#039;s skin, and thus the dog is no longer getting the correction.  It takes a while for the dog to notice there is no correction but now that he has learned he basically ignores the beeping and vibrating.  The second reason, is that the collar is not working any longer or the correction is not properly set.  You can test this for yourself by using the tester that came with the system to make sure the correction is still working.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a the stubborn fence.    Had it for a year now and my German Shepard is now going thru we trained him I though very well he had never gone thru until now.   We cant keep him in now its on max.  Any ideas for a dog that was trained and did well and now for some reason has stopped noticing the shock.  Please any suggestions.  I couldnt say enough good things about this fence I loved it until now but I dont blame the fence I just want to enjoy it again like I did before.</p>
<p>ADMIN &#8211; Hi JJ,</p>
<p>Two likely culprits.  The first and most common reason is that we start to be less careful when we put on the collar so we are not getting contact with the dog&#8217;s skin, and thus the dog is no longer getting the correction.  It takes a while for the dog to notice there is no correction but now that he has learned he basically ignores the beeping and vibrating.  The second reason, is that the collar is not working any longer or the correction is not properly set.  You can test this for yourself by using the tester that came with the system to make sure the correction is still working.</p>
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		<title>By: larry</title>
		<link>http://www.dogfencediy.com/reviews/petsafe-large-dog/#comment-1129</link>
		<dc:creator>larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i have the regular petsafe sytem for my two labs but now have a malmamute  huskie and the reg collar doesnt seem to even phaze him, he actually lays down right where the wire is buried and i checked to make sure the collar works and it is working,  any ideas?

ADMIN - Hi Larry,

Hi Larry,

I strongly suspect problem is the dog not getting the correction because the prongs are not making contact with the skin.  Both the malamute and husky are very sensitive to the correction, even on low they will not like it and will let you know.  However, with that thick coat and undercoat you need to be careful in fitting the collar to make sure you actually do get contact between the probes and the skin.  If you don&#039;t have the long probes, you should get them.  Then, trim a little fur with scissors (just a little), put the collar on, and use your fingers to move the fur so you are getting contact.  It will be tricky the first few times.  The collar also needs to be tight enough that it stays in place, a good rule of thumb is that you should be able to slip in two fingers, but not three.

FOLLOW UP QUESTION - will the stronger petsafe stubborn shock collar help?

ADMIN - Using a higher strength collar will not help if there is no contact.  It will also be completely necessary for a husky.  You really want to keep it on medium or low for them.  They have a reputation for stubbornness, but they are very pain sensitive critters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i have the regular petsafe sytem for my two labs but now have a malmamute  huskie and the reg collar doesnt seem to even phaze him, he actually lays down right where the wire is buried and i checked to make sure the collar works and it is working,  any ideas?</p>
<p>ADMIN &#8211; Hi Larry,</p>
<p>Hi Larry,</p>
<p>I strongly suspect problem is the dog not getting the correction because the prongs are not making contact with the skin.  Both the malamute and husky are very sensitive to the correction, even on low they will not like it and will let you know.  However, with that thick coat and undercoat you need to be careful in fitting the collar to make sure you actually do get contact between the probes and the skin.  If you don&#8217;t have the long probes, you should get them.  Then, trim a little fur with scissors (just a little), put the collar on, and use your fingers to move the fur so you are getting contact.  It will be tricky the first few times.  The collar also needs to be tight enough that it stays in place, a good rule of thumb is that you should be able to slip in two fingers, but not three.</p>
<p>FOLLOW UP QUESTION &#8211; will the stronger petsafe stubborn shock collar help?</p>
<p>ADMIN &#8211; Using a higher strength collar will not help if there is no contact.  It will also be completely necessary for a husky.  You really want to keep it on medium or low for them.  They have a reputation for stubbornness, but they are very pain sensitive critters.</p>
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		<title>By: Zack</title>
		<link>http://www.dogfencediy.com/reviews/petsafe-large-dog/#comment-1122</link>
		<dc:creator>Zack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 00:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have 2 pitbulls. They both lesson very well, but they have high pain tolerance. And they will chase a cat or people walking down the road if they think they are to close. What kinda of fence ( other than chain link) would you recomend? I really want them to be outside with out me. Is there a fence that will keep shocking them after they have crossed the line? And what kinda of cost would be normal for this type?

ADMIN - Hi Zack,

The PetSafe Stubborn dog is the best choice for a pitbull.  I would not assume however that they need the high settings, and would start low.  With the training, you should be able to get them contained, but as always you are going to want to test them and make sure they are compliant even when there are strong temptations. 

All the in-ground fences only correct the dog for a set width on either side of the wire and will not correct the dog indefinitely, hence the importance of training. 

A properly trained dog thinks the only way to escape the correction is to turn and retreat.  Cost is $186 for the system and $70 for an extra collar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have 2 pitbulls. They both lesson very well, but they have high pain tolerance. And they will chase a cat or people walking down the road if they think they are to close. What kinda of fence ( other than chain link) would you recomend? I really want them to be outside with out me. Is there a fence that will keep shocking them after they have crossed the line? And what kinda of cost would be normal for this type?</p>
<p>ADMIN &#8211; Hi Zack,</p>
<p>The PetSafe Stubborn dog is the best choice for a pitbull.  I would not assume however that they need the high settings, and would start low.  With the training, you should be able to get them contained, but as always you are going to want to test them and make sure they are compliant even when there are strong temptations. </p>
<p>All the in-ground fences only correct the dog for a set width on either side of the wire and will not correct the dog indefinitely, hence the importance of training. </p>
<p>A properly trained dog thinks the only way to escape the correction is to turn and retreat.  Cost is $186 for the system and $70 for an extra collar.</p>
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