PetSafe Stubborn Dog Fence (PIG00-10777)

Pros

  • Strongest correction strength available
  • Compatible with other PetSafe collars
  • Compatible with PetSafe indoor pods

Cons

  • Non-rechargeable battery
  • No battery backup for control box

Rating

Retail Price

$259.95

Our Price

$204.95

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PetSafe Stubborn Dog In-Ground Fence Overview

Summary: Strongest Correction

The PetSafe Stubborn Dog Fence (PIG00-10777) is for dogs that require a particularly strong correction. The system is designed for low pain sensitivity dogs, and very large dogs that require a stronger correction than can be provided by a standard collar.

Strong Correction

The PetSafe Stubborn collar at full strength is approximately 50% stronger than a standard correction collar. This makes it useful for dogs with a low pain sensitivity (guardian breeds) and very large breeds.

Disposable Battery

The Stubborn uses a 9 volt disposable battery, instead of the rechargeable battery used on the better systems.

Cross-Compatibility

The Stubborn system can also be used with the collars from the PetSafe Little Dog, PetSafe Deluxe, and PetSafe InGround systems. This allows you to contain dogs of a variety of sizes and temperaments, with each dog having a collar than suits their needs.

Indoor Pod Compatibility

The Stubborn collar can be used with the optional wireless PetSafe Indoor Pods to keep the dogs out of particular part of your home.

PetSafe Stubborn Dog Collar

High Power Collar

The PetSafe Stubborn Dog (PIG00-10777) is the strongest correction collar for use with low pain sensitivity dogs.

Strongest Correction

The PetSafe Stubborn collar is approximately 50% stronger on it’s highest level than a standard correction collar. The collar is intended to be used with dogs with low-pain sensitivity or that are very large (over 100 lbs).

The name Stubborn is in many ways unfortunate. It is not intended so much for dogs that are temperamentally stubborn, but for dogs that will not feel a regular strength correction. Many breeds, such as Huskies and Malamutes, are willful but become compliant with even a very low strength correction and would be overwhelmed by a high strength collar such as this.

We often see low pain sensitivity in dogs that have been bred for this trait. It is common in dogs that were historically used as guardians or for fighting (Akitas, Bulldogs, German Shepherds, Pitbulls, Rottweilers, etc).

5 Corrections Levels

The collar has five correction levels that set by a button on the side of the collar. Note that even the lower levels on this collar are quite strong, and we would not use these collars with smaller or lower sensitivity dogs. Using an unnecessarily strong collar is counterproductive and overwhelms the dog, impeding their learning.

The correction level for each collar on the system can be set independently allowing you to use the collar with dogs that need different levels.

Large Collar Size

The PetSafe Stubborn Collar is one of the larger collars, about the size of two 9-volt batteries. The collar is also one of the heavier units. This makes the collar unsuitable for dogs under 20 lbs. But, given the high correction strength of the collar, we would not use it on any dog under 50 lbs.

Cloth Collar Strap

The collar band is made of a red nylon cloth. It fastens with a plastic quick-snap buckle. This is our preferred collar, as they fit better and are faster to put-on and take-of than rubber collars that use buckle closures.

Disposable Battery

The PetSafe Stubborn uses a standard 9 volt disposable battery. We generally prefer rechargeable batteries. However, the Stubborn uses a generic battery that can be inexplensively obtained at most grocery and drug stores. The battery also has a relatively long life of 3-4 months.

The collar has a low battery indicator that flashes red to alert you that the battery needs changing.

Cross-Compatible Collar

The system can be used with several other PetSafe systems. You can also use the collar on the PetSafe Little Dog, PetSafe Deluxe, and PetSafe InGround with this system. Note that it cannot be used with the top-of-the-line PetSafe Ultrasmart which uses a different frequency.

This cross-compatibility is very useful if you have dogs of very different sizes or disposition (or intend to get such dogs). Instead of having to use a single type of collar that is a compromise between each dog’s needs, you can provide each dog with a collar that suits them. For smaller dogs under 12 lbs, the PetSafe Little Dog collar can be used, for medium sized dogs or dogs that do not require a strong correction the PetSafe Deluxe collar can be used.

Medium Prongs Only

The collar only includes medium length prongs. Long hair dogs require the optional long-prongs ($10). Most systems at this price point include both prong lengths with the basic system.

Waterproof

The PetSafe Stubborn Collar is completely waterproof and can be completely immersed in water.

Compatible with Indoor Pods

The Little Dog Collar works with the optional PetSafe Indoor Pods (see below) as well as with the basic fence. The lets you use the collar inside the home to block off certain areas or to keep the dog off furniture.

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PetSafe Stubborn Dog Transmitter

PetSafe Transmitter

The system includes the basic 10 acre transmitter that is also included in the cheaper PetSafe InGround.

Flexible Boundary Width

The transmitter allows you to adjust the wideness of the fence boundary. You can customize the distance the boundary extends from the perimeter wire from 0 to 10 feet. For most dogs, the boundary will be set at between 3 and 5 feet. For dogs with a higher drive to escape, a wider boundary is useful particular during the training phase.

Boundary Alarm

The transmitter has an audible alarm that sounds when there is a break in the boundary wire. A properly functioning boundary is signaled with a loop light.

10 Acre Capacity

The transmitter can contain 10 acres (3,000 feet of boundary wire). This is a medium capacity transmitter. For larger areas, you can use the SportDog SDF-100A system which has a very similar collar but that has a stronger transmitter with an 100 acre capacity.

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PetSafe Stubborn Dog Accessories
Wire Gauge

Boundary Wire & Accessories

The basic system includes 500 feet of 20 gauge boundary wire, 50 training flags, 2 wire splices, and a collar tester.

Direct Burial Wire

The standard wire is direct burial rated wire, that is designed for being buried in the ground. The PET coating on the wire holds up better against the elements than standard PVC coating on typical housing wire.

Collar Tester Tool

The tester tool is placed against the prongs on the collar and lights up when the collar is triggered. You use the tester tool when you are testing the system, and when you are marking the boundary location.

Optional Professional Gauge Wire

The standard 20 gauge wire included in the basic system can be upgraded to the stronger 18, 16, and 14 gauge wire. 14 gauge wire has a conductor and protective jacket four times thicker than the standard wire.

Using the thicker wire provides protection against wire breaks. There is also a small benefit in superior transmission characteristics.

500 Feet of Wire, 50 Flags

The system also comes bundled with 500 feet of standard 20 gauge perimeter wire. It also includes 50 flags for marking the boundary line when the dog is being trained. The included wire and flags are sufficient for covering one-third of an acre. Additional boundary kits ($30 per 500 feet) can be purchased to boost the capacity up to a maximum of 10 acres (3,000 feet).

Area (acres) Wire Required (feet)
1/3 500
1/2 1,000
1 1,000
2 1,500
3 2,000
4 2,000
5 2,000
10 3,000

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PetSafe Indoor Pods

PetSafe Indoor Pods (optional)

The PetSafe Stubborn Dog Collars work with the optional PetSafe Indoor Pods (PIRF-100) to block access to parts of the house. The wireless pods ($50) create a small circular exclusion around them that you can use to stop a dog going into certain rooms, or to keep the dog off particular pieces of furniture. The radius of the exclusion zone is adjustable from 2 to 10 feet.

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Petsafe Limited Lifetime Warranty

One Year + Limited Lifetime Warranty

The system caries the misleadingly named PetSafe Limited Lifetime Warranty. What this really means is that the system has a comprehensive one year warranty. After the one year warranty expires, PetSafe charges you a fixed price for repairs depending on the part that broke (usually $30 – $50)

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Conclusion

The PetSafe Stubborn Dog is a good choice for high-pain threshold dogs and for dogs that are very large. It’s high strength collar gives you enough correction range to recapture these dog’s attention, even they are in an excited state.

But, this collar should be used prudently, always starting on the lower levels. As useful as the collar is with high-pain threshold dogs, it can easily overwhelm low-threshold dogs and become counterproductive.

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PetSafe Stubborn Dog Video Review

Video: PetSafe Stubborn Dog

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PetSafe Stubborn Dog Manual

PetSafe Stubborn Dog Fence Manual

Download the PetSafe Stubborn Dog Manual (PDF).

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Specifications

Model PetSafe Stubborn Dog Fence (PIG00-10777)
Type In Ground
Collar Battery Disposable (9 volt)
Correction Levels 5 Levels
Beep Only Training Mode Yes
Collar Warning beep Yes
Collar Vibration No
Independent Correction Levels Yes
Collar Dimensions 2.5” (L) x 1.5” (W) x 1.5″ (D)
Collar Weight (with band) ??
Collar Weight (without band) ??
Collar Neck Size ?″ – ??″
Collar Water Resistance Waterproof
Collar Fit Test No
Maximum Number of Dogs Unlimited
Minimum Dog Size 20 lbs
Minimum Age 6 months
Maximum Containment Area 10 acres (3,000 feet)
Boundary Width 0-10 feet (adjustable)
Control Box Dimensions 4.8″ (L) x 4.3″ (W) x 2.0″ (D)
Control Box Power Source Wall Outlet (110V)
Control Box Battery Backup No
Indoor Pod Compatibility Yes (PIRF-100)
Outdoor Pod Compatibility No
Included Boundary Wire 500 feet + 2 wire Splices
Included Boundary Flags 50
Training Materials Manual
Other Collar Tester Tool
Package Dimensions 12″ (L) x 6″ (W) x 6″ (D)
Package Weight 6 lbs
Warranty One Year Labor, Lifetime Parts

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Eric Holden October 21, 2014 at 9:18 am

Is the pet safe stubborn collar compatible with the sportdog electric fence? I have the sportdog and am looking for a stronger collar/receiver. Our 100# lab is going through the fence regularly with the sportdog. Will collar work for my existing fence with just the purchase of a stubborn collar. Thank you Eric Holden

ADMIN – Hi Eric. Yes. The SportDog SDF-100A Dog Fence system is compatible with the PetSafe Deluxe collars, the PetSafe Little Dog collars, and the PetSafe Stubborn collars allowing you to mix and match collars to suit each dog’s size and temperament.

Mike October 6, 2014 at 2:23 pm

I live in NH and would like to try your stubborn dog fence. However , I have heard it does not work well during the winter months . Is this true or did someone have a bad experience? Can the signal make it up and through frost? Thanks Mike

ADMIN – Hi Mike, dog fences can work through snow up to a point. It will not work if the snow is over 4 feet high. You can simply turn up the signal to make it a wide boundary radius around 9 feet from the dog fence wire. If you get 4 to 5 feet of snow, the signal will be weak.

patty June 14, 2014 at 10:03 pm

What can I use for a 200 pound Saint Bernard? Do you have a collar big enough to fit around his neck and would he feel anything with all that fur? He just will not stay in yard. Had on runners. Broke them. He loves to leave yard when people and dogs go past. When he gets lose it scares the heck out of everyone. So what do you think would work?

ADMIN – Hi Patty, the sustained correction of the PetSafe YardMax will contain your Saint Bernard. If the collar strap is not big enough, you can simply purchase a second strap to extend the collar strap. The collar strap can fit up to a 28 inch neck circumference.

Monique June 6, 2014 at 4:32 pm

Hello I would like to purchase this for my 5 dogo/pitbull mix- my only question is the collar that comes with it. (i will be purchasing 4 extra collars) can it be set on a different setting for each dog correct? Thank you

ADMIN – Hi Monique, yes with the PetSafe Stubborn underground dog fence, you can set separate correction levels for each collar.

Kim May 23, 2014 at 8:54 am

I have two great Danes. They are only a year old and already about 130lbs each. In our neighborhood only a 4 ft fence is allowed and I know my dogs can easily jump over this so I was considering installing an invisible fence in addition the cedar fence we are putting up in a few weeks. My question is, I think they will both need the stubborn collar but I really like the petsafe yardmax system? Can we get the yardmax system and use the stubborn collars, or which system would you recommend?

ADMIN – Hi Kim, unfortunately you cannot use any other collar with the PetSafe YardMax. I too would recommend the PetSafe Stubborn for your Great Danes. Also, with your physical fence, the PetSafe YardMax mode is not recommended. You will want to you the traditional style signal that the PetSafe Stubborn fence provides.

theresa May 11, 2014 at 11:08 am

I have a in ground pool with the fence about 5 feet from the roman steps of it. My black lab likes to swim, I understand the the petsafe stubborn dog collar is water proof but should I be concerned about any other safety issue with him getting wet so near the boundary fence?

ADMIN – Hi Theresa, there is no safety issue. The collar is simply a radio receiver. The collar delivers a pulsing static correction that is not painful but extremely uncomfortable. Now you would not want the collar to activate while your dog is swimming, but if it did it physically would not create any dangerous scenario, it would simply deliver a correction.

Romen May 4, 2014 at 5:35 pm

I have German Shepherd. I just set the system up and have been training him; showing him the boundaries. But sometimes he runs right through it. I can’t tell if it’s shocking him or not. Sometimes when he runs through he’ll yelp. But I’m wondering if he has figured that if he runs quick enough, it won’t detect him. I’ve tested the system and it works, I’ve made sure it’s around his neck snug. Any help?

ADMIN – Hi Romen, I would recommend thinning the fur with scissors where the probes touch the neck. I would make sure the boundary width is as wide as you can set it. Use a lunge leash for training, so that if you dog tries to breach the boundary, you can snatch the leash to prevent him. Keep on training until he begins to make the proper reply.

Brian March 30, 2014 at 9:18 am

I have a 12 week old Rott pup that weighs 27lbs. I want to go with the Stubborn Dog system. Will I be able to use this system with him as a puppy? Thanks

ADMIN – Hi Brian, we have seen dogs as young as 12 weeks begin dog fence training. If your Rottweiler can successfully learn to sit and stay, then they are ready to learn dog fence training.

Nanalehew January 12, 2014 at 6:03 pm

Bought this system for use on my 150 lb. Great Pyrenees because this breed is a known “roamer”. We wanted to keep him in our yard instead of anybody’s yard within 20 acres of us. Worked the first couple of weeks and then he decided the highest level of “discipline” wasn’t a problem for him. He will go across it but won’t come back across it. So I find him just the other side of the boundary waiting for someone to come take his collar off so he can cross back into the yard. Very frustrating to say the least! Don’t know what to do from here, Can you help?

ADMIN – Hi Nanalehew, here’s a few things to try: 1) make sure to increase the boundary radius as wide as your system and layout can handle to provide the greatest range of correction. 2) check the collar fit. Make sure the contact points are in constant contact with his skin. 3) Replace flags to give him a visual as to his boundary. 4) Observe your dog when he attempts to cross the boundary to see if he displays any reaction from receiving the correction. If he does not react, he is not receiving the correction. If so, check collar fit.

john November 19, 2013 at 1:29 pm

Hi, we have a 2 year old 55 lb hound mix, that is starting to dig under our 6 ft fence. We recently purchased a petsafe deluxe kit from your site as a gift for some friends, but i’m considering using it myself. Would this kit be strong enough for my dog?

ADMIN – Hi John, when using the Deluxe fence with a physical fence, it will be strong enough to work on a Hound mix.

Sarah Hill October 30, 2013 at 6:27 pm

I have 2 female black labs about 16 months old. We have the stubborn dog system and installed it in our yard and they do great with it. We recently had to move their fence to a different part of the yard for construction purposes. The one seems to be getting the new lines well but the other is much more timid and seems really confused and will not go out there unless i walk with her now. Any suggestions on how to help her get used to the new side of the yard and not be so afraid to move around without me there?

ADMIN – Hi Sarah, you can give her treats and play in the yard with your favorite toys. You’ll want to do that daily. She will ease up over time. Make sure not to perform any official training as this may add to her reservations. Make sure to keep the flags up and continue putting the collar on and off as you normally do.

Dawn September 16, 2013 at 3:22 pm

just to confirm what it in the veriage, I have a wireless Petsafe transmitter with the RFA collars, I would like to purchase the Stubborn dog kit, can I use the collars I already have with this system?

Dawn

Melissa August 3, 2013 at 9:47 pm

Hi. We have a 5 year old 120lb Italian Mastiff and a 4 mth old 19lbs Lab/chow mix (who will be a big dog as well) We bought the stubborn dog with an extra collar. I was wanting to see when would be a good time to start the puppy on this system and use the lowest setting to start out. Or any other suggestions you have.

ADMIN – Hi Melissa, your puppy will be ready for training between 3 and 6 months old. As soon as you can successfully train the puppy to sit or stay, they are mature enough for dog fence training.

Leslie June 22, 2013 at 5:07 pm

We needed to purchase another 500 feet of wire without waiting for the pet safe brand of wire to ship. Is it okay if we use both 20 gauge and 14 gauge wire to finish out our perimeter loop? Roughly half the yard will be 20 gauge and the rest 14. Also, the 14 gauge wire we got is cerro wire for appliances. Will this suffice? Thanks!

ADMIN – Hi Leslie,

Yes, you can mix the gauges of wire. This signal will be a little stronger in the areas where you use the 14 gauge, but this should not be a big deal.

I don’t think that type of wire is direct burial rated. It will work, but it will rot out after a couple of years and stop working. If you can, go back to the hardware store and get wire that is direct burial rated.

Jennifer June 19, 2013 at 3:22 pm

Hello. We purchased the stubborn system for our husky who has alluded all other types of containment. We shaved down the lower part of his collar hair and he seems to be adjusting well. We also have a bloodhound who is just over a year old. He did great the first few days of being on is own but today has crossed it twice…. i am at a complete loss. Any suggestions?

ADMIN – Hi Jennifer,

To figure out why he is getting out we need to observe him as he leaves the yard. If he is leaving and doesn’t react (no yelping), then he is not getting the correction – either because the system isn’t working or the collar is not properly attached. If he is leaving and does react, then he is getting the correction, and we need to increase the correction strength and do some remedial training.

Cristy May 17, 2013 at 10:53 am

Hi, I have 2 dogs and we are about to move into 10 acres of land with no fencing, since there is a busy road on one side and a neighborhood behind us, the rest is partially wooded and open land. One dog is 80 lbs and the other is 10. so we are not sure which dog fence would fit us best.

ADMIN – Hi Cristy,

The SportDog SDF-100A would be a good choice. It could comfortably handle the 10 acres, and the included collar would work well with a 80lb dog. For the smaller dog, I would add a compatible PetSafe Little Dog collar.

Kate May 9, 2013 at 11:25 am

We have a new dog (had her about 2 months) and I’m trying to decide on which fence/collar to go with. She’s about 2 years old, looks to be mostly pitbull, and weighs about 50 pounds. She is very sweet and gentle, and responds immediately to any corrections and training, so my concern is that even the stubborn dog on the lowest setting might be too much given her temperament. Still, she is a pit and does seem to have that “stubborn’ streak. We have one acre on a dead end street. So far she’s been hanging out in the yard with us without any issues, and always will stay within the boundaries of the yard that we taught her, until yesterday when someone was walking by with a little dog and she shot through the trees and down to the road. Thank god the dog was friendly (and our Maggie has been great with every dog she’s met), but this obviously can’t happen again! We were trying to decide on solid vs. invisible fence and we should have made a decision sooner.
So….how to balance a dog who probably has a high pain tolerance if she really wants to get to something, but at the same time has a very timid, gentle temperment. We can tell she’s just starting to feel safe and confident here, she’s finally not as terrified of our cats and they’re all getting along, and I’m so worried about making her afraid of the yard. Also, she’ll never be out there by herself, partly b/c there’s no reason and also she won’t go out unless we’re with her. Should add, she is the only dog and it will stay that way.
Will the lowest setting on the stubborn still be too much for a timid dog? Should we start with a standard petsafe and then upgrade to the stubborn dog collar if needed? How do the lower intensities on the stubborn dog collar compare with the the higher settings on the standard collars? Is the lowest setting on “stubborn” still higher than the highest settings on the others?
Thank you!

ADMIN – Hi Kate,

If she is 50lbs and part pitbull, I would use the PetSafe Stubborn. On the lowest level, the Stubborn is like the medium-low level on a regular system, a level which would be fine even for a timid dog of that size.

Why I would prefer you to use the Stubborn is that even a timid dog can have a high pain threshold, particularly when they get excited and are in full flight about to charge down the street. In that situation it is important that the correction can be set strong enough to refocus the dog on the containment rules.

You could certianly start with a standard PetSafe, like the PetSafe InGround and change collars if you need to.

Jamie May 7, 2013 at 2:20 pm

What is the twisted wire used for?

ADMIN – Hi Jamie,

The twisted wire is run from the transmitter box to the start of the loop, and creates a non-correcting section that the dogs can walk over without getting the correction.

If you need small amounts (less than 20 feet), it is easy to make yourself, you just get two wires, put them in a drill, and twist them together. If you need more than that, you can buy it pre-twisted.

We have more information about twisted wire, and how to use it in the Installation –> Twisted Wire section of the website.

Jeff A April 21, 2013 at 10:01 pm

If I purposefully double up the wire along a section of the containment area (ie the back of the house), will that allow the dog to cross that section without being corrected? I’d like the dog to be able to enter the house & not worry about having to remove his collar each time. Thanks, Jeff

ADMIN – Hi Jeff,

Two live wires twisted together will create a dead zone in the fence. But, note this can only be done in specific ways. A quick and easy way to know if your design will work, is that all wire connections should be 1-to-1 (i.e. there should be no points where you splice three wires together.

You can see some sample layouts in our section on twisted wire.

Wendy Wells March 29, 2013 at 4:40 am

Hi, I have a 1yr old pit bull, catahoula, and ?? mix. She weighs about 40 lbs. She is a sweetie, but has taken to running over to the neighbors and killing chickens. She listens as long as I have eye contact, but as soon as she doesn’t see me she’s off. I don’t really have much experience training dogs, but am trying what I know of to get her to listen. I don’t want to tie her up and although I walk her several times a day, I can tell she needs to run. She is currently living on our gated porch and chewing everything in sight. I’m thinking of the Petsafe basic one or the stubborn. We rent so need to be able to set up the fence easily. What do you think? Thanks, Wendy

ADMIN – Hi Wendy,

With the dog being part Pitbull and part Catahoula, I would prefer to have one of the stronger collars. I don’t think you will need the higher correction levels with her being only 40 lbs, but given the breed and the prey drive, it will be good to have those higher correction levels in reserve in case you need them. I would go for the PetSafe Stubborn.

Gregg January 25, 2013 at 4:20 pm

Hi my wife and I are looking at different “invisible fence” options out there and i was wondering what you would recommend for our needs. My wife bought me an American Pit Bull Terrier puppy for Christmas. He is almost 10 weeks old and 10.5 lbs but having owned this breed before i know that when he gets older he will be able to get out of our 4ft tall chain link fence if he wanted and would like to have a back up to keep him in the yard. At what age do you recommend training with these types of fences and most importantly which brand/model would be right for my dog. I do walk him around the inside of the fence on a leash to try to teach him his boundaries already. Hope i provided enough info and enough detail. Thanks.

ADMIN – Hi Gregg, I would recommend the Dogtek EF-6000 because it has a 8 correction levels if needed. It’s slim and rechargeable too. You can start training between 3 and 6 months old as long as he has done well learning basic commands like sit and stay.

Hannah January 11, 2013 at 6:50 pm

I have an English mastiff, 2 border collies, and a rat terrier mix that I am planning on getting a fencing system for. The Petsafe Stubborn Dog system was suggested to me. I was just wondering if you think that would be the best system for these types of dogs?

ADMIN – Hi Hannah, the great part is that you can go with the Stubborn and put the collar on your Mastiff. Then you can add in different collars to fit your others. Bundle in 2 Deluxe collars for the collies, and if your Terrier is under 12 lbs add in the PetSafe Little Dog collar. If Terrier is over 12 lbs, then simply put them also on the Deluxe collar.

Adam January 3, 2013 at 8:04 pm

We have a female catahoula leopard dog and a male Texas heeler. The catahoula is very focused when chasing something (bunny, deer, especially a strange dog). would this fence stop her? we have a 3′ wire fence already in place which we’d add this to, but she can jump that easily – mostly the existing fence would be the visual boundary, but it might stop the heeler.

ADMIN – Hi Adam, the Stubborn is definitely strong enough to stop your Catahoula. It will also prevent any sort of jumping over and digging under.

Matt December 3, 2012 at 12:11 am

Looking for your advice. I have 2 dogs: a 90lb lab and a 40lb Aussie. I do have a remote collar that we use for the lab: a Tri-tronics Sport. We get good compliance from him when we set it at a level 2.5 or 3. In fact, we rarely ‘correct’ him; we mostly use the buzzer. But, he is the most compliant, laid-back lab I have ever owned. I would think the UltraSmart system would work for these 2 dogs. The area of concern I have is in the near future I would like to get another Lab or a larger Aussie. Reading some of the comments/recommendations – it looks like the Stubborn Dog collar or SportDog system gets recommended for labs. Is that the safe play over the UltraSmart? Thank you!

ADMIN – Hi Matt, you are correct. For large dogs that you are unsure of, it’s safer to go with the Stubborn because you can use the lower corrections but always are able to bump it up a level if necessary. That’s what I would recommend.

Joe November 29, 2012 at 12:11 pm

We have an 80 lb stubborn lab and he continues to dig under the chain link fence and escape. We have a square shaped fenced acre with 5 foot high chain link fence. Can we attach wire along the fence and use one base? What would you recommend? Joe

ADMIN – Hi Joe, correct. That is the preferred installation method. You can attach it a few feet off the ground if you like. I would not recommend attaching the wire on the fence higher than 4 feet. I would go with the PetSafe Stubborn fence and add in the additional wire needed.

Keri October 25, 2012 at 1:15 pm

i have a 2 year old great pyrenees mix he weighs about 85 lbs. I’m trying to figure out which system would be best for him and cheapest for me. the property is only 0.2 acres.

ADMIN – Hi Keri, the best fence for a large dog that’s also a great value is the PetSafe Stubborn. The fence is designed for larger breed dogs and the 500 feet of wire in the box should be plenty for your property.

sherri spriggs October 25, 2012 at 10:34 am

I have four dogs. German shepherd/sharpia/boxer mix. I cant get them to stay in yard. They love to run around. Ive used shock collars but with the wrinkly skin doesn’t seem to phase them once they start to run. What kind of collar do I need with the stubborn system?

ADMIN – Hi Sherri, with dogs with rolls of skin, you’ll want to position the collar by moving the rolls of skin out of the way. The PetSafe Stubborn dog fence does offer a robust collar that will provide the correction levels needed for larger, correction resistant dogs. You may also want to try thinning the fur with scissors at the place where the contact probes touch the skin.

Cheryl October 19, 2012 at 10:09 am

I recently switched from a regular receiver to a stubborn dog receiver for one of my English Shepherds (11 months, 24″ tall). These dogs are pretty pain tolerant. He ran through the fence within 15 minutes of putting the stubborn dog collar on, I was with him and told him “back”. He complied immediately and stayed in the fence for 3 days. Today he left the fence again. I wasn’t right at his side when he did it, but I was there quickly after he left and was able to get him back safely. The collar was working, it was tight on his neck (sized by my installers company person). What do I do now? Please help.

ADMIN – Hi Cheryl, it is a primarily a behavioral issue, not a collar issue or a correction strength issue. The key to 100% containment is not ever allowing your dog to leave the boundary. This requires that doing any training, your dog is restrained with a leash until he is 100% compliant. If he rebels, the first time he tries to disobey and breach the boundary, you will need to put him back on leash for more training. He needs to understand that disobeying your boundary rules is not acceptable and it displeases you. Dogs typically do not like their owners being displeased with them and focus on obeying to make you happy. The key to the process is make sure he cannot breach the boundary. Any kind of efforts of re-training are futile if your dog has the ability to cross the boundary at will.

Mandy October 10, 2012 at 2:43 pm

Hi, I have a 90 Boxer who has a collar now that he can go 90ft from the box and this worked good for a while. Now our neighbors have a new dog who he wants to play with so he just runs thru after it shocks him for a few seconds it stops and he goes on wherever he would like. we live next to the highway so it more of a safety thing instead of control. Which system would you recommend for him? I would like for it to be 5ar. size. it needs to keep him in. He’s hard headed! Thanks, Mandy

ADMIN – Hi Mandy, the PetSafe Stubborn is a much better option for your Boxer. The solution will be two-fold, changing the system for the Stubborn and spend ample time retraining. Your containment issues are primarily behavioral with the correction being secondary.

Melissa October 6, 2012 at 10:03 am

Hi, we just became the owners of a Great Dane puppy. She wants to play outside and we are debating physical fence or the wired fence systems that you sell. We have heard that these systems don’t work with Great Danes. Also can you use the system with a puppy? She is well over ten pounds and already knows how to sit.

ADMIN – Hi Melissa, Dogs that can be trained to sit or stay are ready to be trained on a dog fence. There are no breed of dog that is dog fence proof either. As long as you get the correct system, use the appropriate correction level, and train your dog well, you can expect 100% containment. For Great Danes you’ll want to go with the PetSafe Stubborn fence that is designed for dogs over 100 pounds.

Ann October 4, 2012 at 5:12 pm

We have a beagle mix and a lab mix and have had an invisible fence for a couple of years now. The Beagle mix trained quickly and is now without the collar because we know she’s not leaving our 3 acre yard anymore. Our lab however, figured out last spring that if she just waited out the 20 seconds on her collar, she could walk right passed the invisible fence. Up until she figured out she could control her freedom, she was obedient. Now, if she gets loose she completely ignores us. She runs off but always returns a little while later. We are of course concerned about her getting hit in the road or having a run in with a skunk or worse. We have had to chain her up the last several months and it is not fair for a four-year-old, energetic and otherwise good dog to have this land to look at and only have a 10 foot perimeter to live in. Is there anyway around the 20 second shut off safety feature? I understand even the stubborn dog collars out there are equipped with this safety shut off feature as well.

ADMIN – Hi Ann, No, unfortunately due to safety issues, all collars have a shut off. If your lab is not displaying any physical reaction to the correction like yelping or jumping, then the collar is not delivering the correction. You may want to check the collar and also make sure the fit is correct. The probes must make constant contact with the skin to deliver a correction.

Amy October 3, 2012 at 1:55 pm

I have a lab/coonhound mix and a cavalier, both puppies at 8 months and 10 months. The hound has started jumping out of our fence to go play with neighborhood dogs (it is a 3′ chain link fence). I don’t think I have any reason (at this time any way) to have a collar on the cavalier unless it can keep her from going through the cat door to the garage. I have a sport dog remote collar to address the barking and digging from both dogs and it has worked very well. I am overwhelmed by the many choices but was looking at the PetSafe PIG00-13619 however I was wondering if the Dogtra or Stubborn would work for my needs. Also despite the difference in size they rough house a lot and the collar would have to be durable!

ADMIN – Hi Amy, I would recommend the SportDog SDF-100A for you rough housing Lab mix. The collar is super durable and will provide a great choice for pet containment for your needs. This also gives you the option of bundling in a different size collar in the future for your Cavalier.

Carrie September 26, 2012 at 12:30 pm

We had a 80 lb Lab and a 14 lb Cockapoo. What electrical fencing system would work best for both dogs? Thank You

ADMIN – Hi Carrie, the best option is the PetSafe Stubborn dog with a Deluxe collar for the cockapoo.

Sally September 19, 2012 at 5:42 pm

Would the PetSafe Stubborn system work for for my 30 -pound Sheltie on the lowest correction level? Would the weight of the collar impact his skinny neck? I like the idea of the 9-volt battery. Thank you for your thoughts! Sally

ADMIN – Hi Sally, for your Sheltie, I’d recommend the PetSafe Deluxe or the PetSafe Ultrasmart PIG00-13619. The Stubborn will be too large and will zap him way to hard.

Carrie September 12, 2012 at 11:40 am

Can the correction unit on these collars be transferred to another more durable collar? We have lab puppies and they have chewed or scratched threw their collars before. I think they will grow out of it, but either way transferring the unit to a more durable collar seems like it would be nice. Especially if there is no way to attach id tags to the correction collars. Thanks

ADMIN – Hi Carrie, the Stubborn collars a some of the most durable. You may want to try the PetSafe Deluxe collars to see though. The SportDog may not be a good option since the SportDog collar base (the box and probes) are the same as the Stubborn. We have found the SportDog and Stubborn to hold up very well over time.

Greg July 18, 2012 at 7:47 am

I am looking at buying the PetSafe deluxe and adding an extra stubborn dog collar for a 12 week old beagle pup. Will the lowest setting be too much for this dog? I think this extra level may be needs as she grows and considering the breed. Thanks

ADMIN – Hi Greg, While it may be large for a Beagle, the Stubborn fence is more suited to sporting dogs like the Beagle. I think as long as your Beagle is around 40 lbs or heavier, the Stubborn fence collar should be a good choice.

Jeremy June 25, 2012 at 7:06 pm

I’ve been looking at the PetSafe stubborn for my rottweiler, shes 7 months and close to 70lbs. Would this be too much correction right now or could I just turn it down and increase the correction if needed as she gets bigger?

Admin- Hi Jeremy,

The PetSafe stubborn system offers 5 levels of correction. You will able to adjust the correction amounts for your Rottweiler on the collar. For training, you will start on the lowest level than adjust accordingly.

Ashley May 24, 2012 at 8:42 pm

I have a siberian husky that will not stay in the yard. He is a terrible runner and I’m looking into an underground fence. Would this be good for him and I live in a rental house but I’m looking to buy a house… Can I take the fence with me when I move?

ADMIN – Hi Ashley, this fence will work well with your Husky. However, you may also look at the PetSafe Ultrasmart fence too (PIG00-13619). Reason is that while your Husky is a runner, Husky’s have a low pain tolerance. This means he will not need the higher correction levels that the Stubborn fence offers.

You can easily take the fence with you and simply install new boundary wire at your new home.

Jessica May 14, 2012 at 7:34 am

My dogs swim in our pond. Will this hurt the collar?

Admin- Hi Jessica,

Swimming will not hurt the PetSafe Stubborn Dog collar as it is fully waterproof.

Ron Degregorio May 2, 2012 at 12:30 pm

Can you attach the wire to an existing fence or should it be buried underground?

Admin- Hi Rob,

You can indeed attach the wire to a fence. You can use zip-ties or staples to hold the wire on the fence. Note: If you use a weed eater on the fence line, make sure you run the wire at least a foot above ground so the wire does not get hit when you are doing yard work.

Grace April 21, 2012 at 2:25 pm

Hello. I currently have the Innotek SD-2000 system for my five dogs and it works great. However, one of my dogs, who is a lab mix, does not seem phased by the shock her collar administers. We believe she is a good candidate for the stubborn collar. My question is: Will this collar work with our current system, or do we have to but the receiver as well? Thank you

Admin- Hi Grace,

Sorry, the Stubborn dog collar is not compatible with the Innotek transmitter. Your best and cheapest option would be to purchase the Stubborn dog system and bundle in either a PetSafe Stubborn collar or the PetSafe Deluxe collar for your second dogs. Your install will be very simple; you will be able to use the wire you already have in place.

Tom Lyon April 16, 2012 at 10:06 pm

A 3 year old 150 lb Pyrenees has roamed the neighborhood for years. I have tried training him with the stubborn collar with no luck. I know he is getting the correction but goes right thru the fence once he is turned loose. Any suggestions?

Admin- Hi Tom,

Unfortunately the PetSafe Stubborn dog system offer our strongest collar. I would recommend setting up the training flags again and walking him through the basic training steps. This will help reiterate with him on the boundary.

Chantal March 31, 2012 at 1:10 pm

Hi, I’ve been looking into getting an in-ground dog fence for my black lab cross, he weighs about 60lbs and is a year old. He has a very submissive temperament and is a pretty quick learner. I’m also considering adopting a female American Pitbull who is about 30lbs and is more “pushy” for lack of a better term. Both are high energy dogs. I live in town with a medium sized backyard, so it doesn’t have to cover a lot of ground. I want something with individual correction settings. I’ve been looking at the Petsafe stubborn, the sportdog SDF-100A and the dogtra, but I’m unsure of which one would be best. Your advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank-you!

ADMIN – Hi Chantal,

All three of those system you describe would work well with your two dogs. All three are good systems, and all three have independent correction. The advantage of the Dogtra is that it is rechargeable. The SportDog has a long range transmitter that isn’t much use to you with the medium sized yard you describe. The SportDog also has a slightly more durable collar than the other two and a two-year warranty (instead of one) The PetSafe Stubborn, is the cheapest of the three and has the cheapest extra collars. The PetSafe also has the strongest collars, but with your dogs I wouldn’t expect you to be needing this.

You can’t go wrong with either of the three. I am cheap, so I would pick the PetSafe Stubborn.

Rebecca March 28, 2012 at 11:46 am

I have 2 dogs, a female black lab and a female German Shepherd, both under 2 years old. The German Shepherd is easily trained and corrected almost immediately with the standard petsafe system. Our lab, on the other hand, gladly endured the shocks of the standard system while she chewed her way through the wires and killed the system. Is it worth trying the stubborn dog on such a stubborn dog? I’m fairly convinced she’ll take the zapping as long as necessary to get her way to the fence. It’s hard to believe such a sweetheart is such a trouble maker.

ADMIN – Hi Rebecca,

My first reaction, is that the lab was probably not getting the correction – most likely because the collar prongs were not contacting her skin. This is sometimes tricky on a lab because of all the folds of skin and sometimes you need to use the long prongs even though they are a short hair dog. It is extremely unusual that any dog, and particularly a lab would endure the correction long enough to chew on the wire. Even pain resistant breed will at least make an effort to move away from the correction zone. To test this, you want to watch the dog and gauge their reaction. If there is no reaction at all, then they are not getting the correction and you need to check if the collar is working and adjust the collar so the probes are held firmly against the skin and there is no hair in the way.

Only, if you are sure the dog was getting the correction, and ignoring it would I step up to the stubborn. Before doing this, I would put both the collars you have on the dog and see if that makes a difference. (You can test if a stronger correction will do the trick before you buy a second collar). But again, only do this if you are positive the dog is actually getting the correction.

Tyler March 20, 2012 at 8:25 pm

Hi I have a rhodesian that is about 58 lbs and loves to chase stray cats. He is fairly receptive to training but I would like to say that he is very stubborn and independent. Is this system effect at stopping dogs that have a strong chase instinct? And how often do you have dogs that are just not receptive to being trained with the fence?

ADMIN – Hi Tyler,

When people do the 2-3 weeks of initial training, the success rate is very close to 100% – I would guestimate somewhere between 98% – 99%. Stubbornness isn’t a big factor – when they have an incentive to comply (the correction) most dogs become receptive. The sensation of the shock is also so odd an unfamiliar to the dog that it completely redirects their energy from whatever they were chasing to making the shock stop. I would not expect any problems with a Rhodesian Ridgeback.

Josh March 19, 2012 at 9:07 am

Hello, I am getting a bull mastiff puppy in 6 weeks. I live on an acre of land what system should i plan to on buying in the future? I am going to teach him his boundaries but still think a fence would be a good idea when I am away from home. I like the idea of not having to bury a cable but I don’t know if there is any other options or not. What do you suggest?

ADMIN – Hi Josh,

With a Bull Mastiff you want to use one of the system with the capacity for a strong correction, often this type of breed is very tough and is indifferent to weaker corrections.

The best wired option would be the PetSafe Stubborn, which has the strongest correction strength. This is also going to be a better option that a wireless system, because it will have a nice consistent boundary line without fluctuations. The downside, is of course the installation for an acre will take you about a day.

The best wireless option would be the Havahart Radial. Wireless fences like the Havahart are more convenient to install, but won’t work in every home – particularly if there are a lot of trees or sheet metal blocking the signal. They also are limited to circular boundaries and have a less consistent boundary making training a little more challenging.

bob March 15, 2012 at 9:21 pm

I have an escape artist bloodhound. She is sweet but headstrong and a real athlete. I have a 4 foot mesh, enhanced with another foot high of welded wire, bent inward by a foot. Thought that would keep her from roaming, but she got away during a movie tonight. I’m thinking of a wire rig along or on the fence, looped up over the house to the far side. But, that would take it over the garage roof where she has access (and an oil radiator for heat or a fan in summer…poor thing). Would the signal go through the roof and be a problem? Also, is there a system that would allow a remote to be used with the same collar when she is running free? Had a borrowed one that did wonders. thanks, bob

ADMIN – Hi Bob,

Running the wire up and over the roof should create enough vertical separation so that the dog could pass under without triggering the correction on the collar down on ground level.

The Innotek IUC-5100 is a good choice for a bloodhound, and combines a remote trainer with a containment fence.

Kylie March 15, 2012 at 1:48 pm

Hi, I have a 4mo old Golden Retriever and we live on a farm , he has started 2 travel 2 our barn n to the neighbors and I was wondering what type of wireless system would work best for him.

ADMIN – Hi Kylie,

The Havahart wireless is by far the best of breed wireless system. If wireless it going to work in your location, that would be the one to choose. Note, that wireless has limitations, namely the circular boundary, the less consistent boundary, and the difficulty dealing with trees, sheet metal and other obstacles.

If you wanted to look at wired systems, the Innotek IUC-4100 is the best of breed and would work particularly well with the long hair of a Golden Retreiver. The PetSafe Stubborn is also a good choice, it has fewer features but is also around $100 cheaper. Note, that with wired fences, you will need to take the extra step of laying boundary wire around the perimeter.

FYI – waiting till your dog is 6 months old before starting the training will get you better and faster results. Most 4 month old pups don’t have the attention span to make the training effective.

Beth March 7, 2012 at 10:40 pm

Hello! We have 2 “Bullshepherds” (bulldog/german shepherd mix) that really like to chew. Everything! They have eaten several web-collars off of each other in the past, so I’m afraid that the $80 receiver collars wouldn’t last them very long. Is there a leather collar option, or a way to adapt the receiver to a sturdier collar? Thanks!

ADMIN – Hi Beth,

The collar on the Stubborn dog system is removable and you could make a custom collar that would fit (you just need to poke two holes in a regular leather collar to get the prongs through). The other option is to use the standard collar and spray it with bitter apple (available at most supermarkets and pet stores for around $3) for the first few days to break the dogs out of the habit of grabbing each other by the collar.

courtney fruge March 1, 2012 at 2:06 pm

Hello, I have been looking for a way to let my dogs truly enjoy the acre of land we recently purchased and i believe this is the best way that we can afford for now. We have a 4yr old 65# choc lab that is very fast and very headstrong especially about squirrels. We also have a 3yr 80+# Chesapeake/choc lab mix that has lots of jumping power. The ches/lab has a large neck with lots of skin and fluffy undercoat. neither one is very well mannered unless a treat is involved and even that is risky. We have a section of our backyard fenced in but it isn’t enough room to run them thoroughly. We want to create an area that connects to the fenced area so we can open the gate and let them run and play on the lot. we would want to seal in about 2/3 of an acre

1. Would I need to go with stubborn dog or the Innoteck 4100?
2. Would I need to purchase the longer prongs for my ches/lab?
3. I live in south central Louisiana ( no major freezes except for a day or two each year). Can i put the transmitter in our shop. it would be out of the rain but not out of the heat or humidity?
4. How much extra wire would we need to add to what is already in the kit

I really appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions!

ADMIN – Hi Courtney,

1. Either of those systems you mentioned, the PetSafe Stubborn Dog Fence or the Innotek 4100 Ultrasmart will do the job well. The Innotek has a few extra features like the rechargeable battery, the collar fit test, and a battery backup for the transmitter. The Stubborn would be around $100 cheaper for two dogs. Both would be good choices.
2. The Cheapeake Bay Retreiver will likely need the long prongs because of all that loose skin and the fluffy undercoat. The long prongs are included with the Innotek, they are a small extra for the PetSafe (approx $10, and available only directly from PetSafe … details are in the box).
3. The transmitter just needs to be kept out of the rain and snow. Heat, humidity, or cold will not be an issue.
4. To do 2/3 of an acre you would need 1,000 feet of wire (The kit comes with 500 feet, so you would need an extra 500 feet)

Kaycie Jones February 29, 2012 at 6:18 am

I have a 6 (nearly 7) month old Husky Lab mix. Currently she’s closing in on 60 pounds. She’s an escape artist, has a large prey drive, and is a runner the moment she tastes any sort of freedom. I take her for regular walks, but when I leave her outside alone I put her on a chain (no fence). She’s broken three of them in the last week and taken off, not to mention the two collars and a harness that she snapped. Would this system be a good option for her? I’m worried because she’s still young that it might be too much, but I’m also worried that anything less wont be able to deter her.

On another note – if I got this system and installed a pet door, letting her go in and out freely, would this be risky or can the fence keep her in the yard even when I’m not home? Currently I’m trying to look for the best option for her. Where I live they wont allow traditional fencing.

ADMIN – Hi Kaycie,

For a larger stronger dog the PetSafe Stubborn would indeed be a great choice. Most of your issues will be solve in the training with the dog on the fence. Once you combine the fence with the training, you should not have any problem containing her.

Natasha February 28, 2012 at 9:16 pm

Hello, I have 5 dogs: 1german shepherd 1 boxer and 3 shepherd husky mixes. The boxer and the 2 puppie shepherd/husky mixes keep escaping from our yard…no matter the amount of money we put into training and new fencing they find a way out..the German shepherd and 11yr old never make a break for it..but I would like to know is this system worth the money and good for the 3 troublemaking dogs?? Thank you for your help hope to hear from you. Natasha

ADMIN – Hi Natasha,

The best option for your five dogs will be the PetSafe Stubborn/Large dog system. The Stubborn dog collar is designed for a larger breed of dogs and are very durable. The collar will hold up to ruff housing much better than most collars. You will simply bundle in four additional PetSafe Stubborn dog collars. The system comes with 500 feet of boundary wire that can cover up to 1/3 acre.

Jane February 28, 2012 at 12:57 pm

We have a 4 year old lab / Rhodesian ridgeback. His previous owner let him run wild and now we are having a hard time re-training. My question is regarding the invisible fencing. Is there any concern about squirrels chewing the lines. Part of our property is quite rocky, what can I do?

ADMIN – Hi Jane,

You can get the occasional break from a critter chewing through the wire; however, we do not experience many issues with critters chewing on the wire. If there are any particular areas that you are concerned about, you can place the wire in a protective conduit (old water hose pipe, or sprinkler system conduit) or use the thicker 14 gauge wire which is stronger and has a thicker layer of insulation.

Katy February 17, 2012 at 5:22 pm

We have a bloodhound, 6 months old and already 85 lbs, and we use the petsafe remote training and we would like to purchase the stubborn dog in-ground system. Do we have to switch collar all the time or we can buy a collar who can do both?

ADMIN – Hi Katy,

The PetSafe Contain and Train combines both a remote trainer and dog containment fence functionality into the one collar and would avoid you needing to switch collars.

James February 15, 2012 at 2:52 pm

Hi, I have a Stubborn Dog fence system that encloses a roughly 2 acre area of yard for a couple of St. Bernards. I’m thinking of expanding this up to around another 2/2.5 acres of wooded forest because they like to play in the woods but I don’t want them running free on the entire property. Basically my question is, the current fence is using the standard 20 gauge wire, can I use 24 gauge ethernet cable to extend the fence (I have several thousand feet sitting in the basement doing nothing). Plus I’m thinking the shielding would provide a little extra since I don’t plan to bury it in the woods, I was thinking I’d just staple it at ground level to trees every little bit.

The downside I’m assuming is a narrower field on the 24 gauge wire, so is there any benefit to using a single twisted pair vs a single wire? Basically I’d just sauder the two pair ends together.

Also, is there any reason I couldn’t use a twisted pair set from the control panel to the start of the loop? Thanks

ADMIN – ADMIN – Hi James,

I would avoid using the shielded ethernet wire for the perimeter wire, it tends to create an inconsistent boundary field.

For the twisted section, where the signal is going to get cancelled out, I can’t think of any reason why you couldn’t use a pair of wires from the ethernet cable.

Sandi February 9, 2012 at 9:11 am

We just got a American Bull Dog/Lab mix puppy. He is almost 5 months old and 46 lbs. He is very Bull headed. He is very smart and knows/responds to commands. The issue is only when he wants to. He doesn’t listen when off leash. We have squirrels and wild rabbits he takes off after in the yard. We don’t want him to go near the road. We want to keep him restricted to the back yard. We live on 4 acres. We have power lines above the South side of our house. I want to know which electric fence would be recommended for him. I don’t want to buy one and have to replace it 6 months later becasue it isn’t working for him.

ADMIN – Hi Sandi,

For a dog with Bull Dog in him, the PetSafe Stubborn is a good choice. It has the strongest correction levels on the collar, which is sometimes needed when training bull dogs. Of course, we would start him on the lower setting and only work our way up if needed, but it is good to have those settings there in case we need them. The system can cover up to 10 acres. Overhead power lines are a non-issue, because the vertical separation of the lines overhead keeps them from interfering with the normal dog fence wire signal.

marla February 3, 2012 at 4:04 pm

Hi. I recently bought a house that has an invisible fence system. do pet safe collars work with this system?

ADMIN – Hi Marla,

The PetSafe collars will not work with an invisible system, unless you also switch out the base station. For an invisible fence dog containment system, you either need to use an Invisible Fence collar, or one of the Invisible Fence compatible collars made by Perimeter systems.

Clarissa February 1, 2012 at 1:02 pm

I have a fenced in back yard where I keep my dogs. One is a lab and she does not leave the yard unless the other one does. The other dog is a boxer who in the last 6 weeks in his efforts to escape the yard has dug holes, eaten wood, bent my metal gate, pulled the fence away from the polls, moved concrete blocks, and last night he pawed through sheet metal.Will this work for him if I put it inches from the fence and house to keep him from where he can get out? Also at night they sleep in the house so I need to know if I can turn it off for them to come inside due to it having to be a complete loop.

ADMIN – Hi Clarissa,

Containing a dog when there is already a physical fence in place is usually straight forward. You can either run the wire along the fence (stapling it or using ties), or can run the wire along the ground near the fence.

For a backyard only loop, the easiest solution is to complete the loop along the house side by running the wire up a downspout, across the roof-line (through the gutter) and down a downspout on the other side. The height of the wire above the ground, stops it from activating the collar down at ground level. There are also a few other options to do a backyard only layout, for more details and diagrams, check out the Installation –> Layouts section of our website.

You don’t want to have to switch the system on and off all the time. It becomes a royal pain, and our experience is that when it is a pain it doesn’t get used.

Note, in your case, where you only have one escaping dog, you can just put that dog on the system (i.e. you don’t need a second collar).

Tim January 31, 2012 at 8:49 pm

Hi…I have a two year old Saint Bernard who recently has been running through the fence to greet other dogs as they walk down the street with their owners. I have an older innotek fence with longer prongs on the collar. He received the correction as I saw his response several times trying to come back in the yard. I have worked with him to retrain with a long lead and pull him to safety when he attempts escape. As soon as another dog approaches he runs through the reward appears greater than the punishment. Will the stubborn dog work on him? Tim

ADMIN – Hi Tim,

I like the way you diagnosed the problem, making sure the dog was actually getting the problem and then trying some retraining. Sounds like you need to make the correction more serious for him. You should make the boundary wider, at least five feet on each side of the wire and increase the correction level. If you are already at the maximum, you can either add a second collar with the system you already have (i.e. the dog wears two collars) or use a stonger system like the PetSafe Stubborn.

Andy January 30, 2012 at 8:31 am

I am going to purchase the stubborn dog system with an extra collar. I just want to make sure I understand certain features and installation procedures.

I will be unable to maintain the 6′ distance required on my double back perimeter loop. Can i narrow my perimeter to the twisted wire technique to cross (expansion joint) in my driveway, then open my loop back to the at least 6′ requirement to finish my loop on the other side of the driveway?

I’m not concerned about the twisted wire over the driveway being a dead zone as i have a 6′ chain link fence and a gated driveway. I’m only trying to keep my 2 English Mastiffs off my front lawn so i may again enjoy the pleasures if GRASS :-)

ADMIN – Hi Andy,

Yes, you can bring the wires close together if you are not concerned about the wires being active in that local area. The perimeter will be active in the sections where there is sufficient (more than 6 feet) of separation.

Charity Rodgers January 29, 2012 at 6:40 pm

Hi! I’m wondering which system would be best for my pet family of four that ranges in size from a 7lb Min-Pin/Chihuahua to a 100lb German Shepherd/Great Pyrenees? All my dogs are very strong willed… Not dumb, but definitely stubborn. We have an acre yard. Which is the best, most reliable DIY in-ground fencing system for us?

ADMIN – Hi Charity,

Where you have a big range in sizes, the PetSafe systems come into their own. The collars are interchangeable in the PetSafe containment systems, so you can use the collar that is right-sized for each dog.

I would install a PetSafe Stubborn system, and use the included dog for the German Shepherd mix. For the Chihuahua mix, use a PetSafe Little Dog collar. If you give me age, weight, breed, and temperament of the other two dogs I will be happy to make more specific recommendations. But generally, for anything under 12 lbs we use the PetSafe Little Dog collar. For dogs between 12 lbs and 40 lbs, I use the PetSafe Deluxe collar. And for dogs over 40 lbs, I use the PetSafe Stubborn collar.

Matt January 26, 2012 at 10:41 pm

Hi – I have a 100# golden retriever who is very lovable, but a bullheaded lummox. I have had an IUC 5100 for the past 6 years, and it has done a relatively good job of containing him until recently.

About 4 months ago, he decided to bite the bullet and run through the containment zone. Now he does this daily whenever he sees some kid or another dog he wants to play with. I can see him react as he runs through the zone, so I know he is receiving correction.

Regardless, I replaced the transmitter and collar through Innotek to make certain they weren’t malfunctioning in some way. I have verified that the wire is not broken. The correction level is set to MAX. I have a ¼ acre city lot, and if I increase the size of the containment zone any more, he won’t be able to get out the front door.

Do you think it is worth switching systems to the PetSafe Stubborn Dog Fence, or would you recommend trying some training techniques to correct this behavior?

ADMIN – Hi Matt,

Since you are seeing him react, he is getting the correction. It is worth using the collar check feature on the Innotek 5100 collar to make sure the collar is properly placed. It is possible he is getting a reduced correction because you don’t have a very good connection between collar probe and the dog’s skin.

I would make the fence wider, by turning up the boundary dial and do a little remedial training (Step II and Step III in our protocol). I presume the fence is currently at least five feet on either side of the wire.

If the problem persists, then you can look into ways of increasing the correction. You can either use a second IUC-5100 collar or switch to a PetSafe Stubborn system. It is very few Golden’s that require a collar that strong.

K'Lee January 25, 2012 at 12:16 am

I have a husky and he loves to dig. So i was wondering if your fence and training system will help with that?

ADMIN – Hi K’Lee,

If the problem is the Husky digging out, or they are digging up a particular part of the garden, then an electric fence that we wire to keep them in will definitely help. If they are just generally digging up your lawn and you want them to stop but want to still give them access to the lawn, then the dog fence is not going to be of any help.

Leigh Ann January 23, 2012 at 10:56 pm

My husband and I have a 4 year old (120lb) yellow lab. He was trained at 6 months old with the fence system. He has done an excellent job with staying in even when our fence was struck by lightning or we had a break….HOWEVER….now he is 4 and all of a sudden over the past 2 months he has decided he doesn’t want to stay in anymore. We purchased a new collar in case his was old and not functioning….he got out! Then my husband leashed him and walked the fence…approximately 5 acres and he knows where the fence is and backs up when it beeps…..he got out again….We put him in a pen to do some more “training” and he gets walked twice a day and again backs up when fence beeps….you then trust him to stay out and He again gets out so we continue to keep him in the pen. We have also shaved the neck because right now at wintertime he coat is so thick and we were afraid it wasn’t making contact. This past Saturday we were outside and decided to trust him loose….He crossed the fence when were were not looking and we decided to see what he did….He later comes back to the fence line and lowers his head to a certain position where we think it may not be making contact and crossed back “in” the fence….We don’t know what else to do other than leave him up in “jail” for a while and start more re-training…He knows where the fence is but has decided he will just take the shock and get out…..Do you have any suggestions….we are fresh out of ideas! Sorry to be so lengthy I just had to explain everything we have tried!

ADMIN – Hi Leigh,

To help us diagnose the problem, you want to watch him cross the fence (there might need to be a lure on the other side, like a neighbor’s dog or some food). You want to see his reaction and whether he reacts or not.

If there is no reaction or a small reaction (scratching, etc), then he is not getting the correction – that is usually because the prongs aren’t touching the skin – you may need to thin out some hair and be particularly careful when you put on the collar so you can feel probes touching the dog’s skin. The collar also needs to be tight enough that you cannot insert more than two finger between the collar and the neck. From your description of his reentering, I suspect this is the issue.

If has a big reaction reacts (flinching, yelping, etc), then he is getting the correction, but going through anyway, you need to make the boundary wider, with 5 acres, you should be able to make it extend at least 10 feet on either side of the wire. You should also turn up the correction level, and go back and redo the training, starting from what we call stage II.

Molly January 22, 2012 at 12:18 pm

I have two australian shepard/labrador mixed pups that are a year old and around 65lbs. They are scheduled to be nurtured at the end of the month but I can’t keep them home. We got the Innotek fencing system with two collars and it took no time for my very smart and calculated pups to learn their boundaries or so we thought. It worked great for about 4 months until they figured out they could just run through it to get out and run back through before they thought we would find they were gone…mind you by this time we had turned the system to max correction. My husband and I thought maybe our system wasn’t working correctly but after checking it all out, we found nothing wrong. So now when I am not outside with them they have to be put in their 10′ by 20′ kennel. The only problem with that is now my one pup Chevy either tunnels under or pulls the chain link apart at the bottom and that is almost impossible to repair. My neighbor has a great dane so I asked him what he uses and he said he got the stubborn dog system and he hasn’t had a problem. She won’t run through it like she did with their previous system. My husband is already upset that nothing is working for our boys and how much money we have spent. Would the stubborn dog system be the answer? I’m truly at the end of my leash!

ADMIN – Hi Molly,

I would try and watch them escape and see if there is any reaction from the dog when they cross. From your description, it sounds like they are not getting the correction at all – otherwise they would not come back through the field.

This usually happens because the collar prongs are not touching the dog’s skin so they are not getting the correction. Check you are getting good contact – you may need to move hair out of the way or thin out the hair a little. You also want the collar to be tight enough that you cannot insert more than two fingers.

Which Innotek system do you have presently? If you have a 4100/5100 then you should use the collar-fit checker mode to make sure you have solid contact between the collar prongs and dog’s skin.

Once you have the collar fitted, redo the training starting from Step Two. You will want to turn the correction level back down (max sounds too high for your dogs), and you should see a whole lot more reaction from the dogs.

A stronger system is unlikely to be the solution for the breeds you have. Neither the Lab nor the Aussie usually requires a whole lot of correction.

michael January 21, 2012 at 12:00 am

I was wondering if you can turn off the beeping and vibrating on the stubborn dog collars or the small dog collar? I bought them used and didn’t have manuals.

ADMIN – Hi Michael,

You cannot turn off the warning beep or vibration on any of the systems except the Dogtek systems. (I am not sure why anyone would want to turn off the warning, but I presume you have a good reason). PS – we have all the system manuals on our site, just click the “manual” tab on each product page.

Bill January 17, 2012 at 5:02 pm

I have 3 very intense and active beagles that will do almost anything to escape by climbing and digging. They also can sense the pulse on the eclectic fence. So which system should I use.

Admin- Hi Bill,

We recommend PetSafe Deluxe Fence for your Beagle. The PetSafe Deluxe fence offers independent correction levels; therefore, you will able to adjust the correction levels on the collars for each Beagle. You will need to bundle in a two more PetSafe Deluxe collars.

Mike Smeltzer January 13, 2012 at 1:25 pm

I have the standard system installed and my newest dog does not seem to be effected by the fence. He is a pitbull and I have seen him just stand at the gate being shocked while he waits for me to let him back in the yard after he has escaped. Can I by just the stubborn dog collar and use it with the standard system that is already installed?

ADMIN – Hi Mike,

If you currently have any of the PetSafe or SportDog wired fences, you can indeed use the PetSafe Stubborn collar with your existing system. However, if you have any other brand of system it will not work.

It is not unusual that a pitbull will require the stronger correction of the PetSafe Stubborn. The only thing I would check is that the current collar is set to full strength and the dog is actually getting the correction (sometimes if the collar is not properly fitted and the dog does not feel anything). You can tell if the dog is getting the correction because they will react in some way, maybe scratching at the collar. If the dog just sits in the correction field it makes me suspicious that they are not getting any correction.

rachel January 4, 2012 at 10:38 am

I have a pug and I was wondering if it could work on her? She’s very hard to train, I just don’t want to put the level to high and hurt her. What level should I start her on?

ADMIN – Hi Rachel,

I would not use a PetSafe Stubborn collar on a pug, the correction level is going to be much too high and the collar is going to be much too big and heavy.

With a pug, a collar with a small collar is a mist. If the pug is under 12lbs, use a PetSafe Little Dog System. If the Pug is over 12lbs, use an Innotek IUC-4100 or a PetSafe Deluxe.

The correction level we set really depends on the dog’s size and their sensitivity. It is not really related to how hard the dog is to train. We don’t want to go too high because that overwhelms the dog and an overwhelmed dog is not in a good place to learn. Most pugs don’t need a lot of correction to get their attention – I would be surprised if you pug need more than the medium-low on a regular system. So you would definitely want to start on the low setting and only work your way up if you need to (i.e. the dog does not pay much attention to the correction)

Barb Svoboda December 6, 2011 at 9:08 am

Day one of training and my dog will not go near the flags. Actually he is to far from the flags and won’t even go into the middle of the yard. Has he been traumatized by the correction? What should I do for day 2? I’m really concerned that I have done the wrong thing by letting him get corrected. They said he should be comfortable with getting somewhat close to the flags, HELP! Barb Svoboda

ADMIN – Hi Barb,

From the sound of your email, it seems like you had the correction activated (either deliberately or inadvertently). In the first week of training you should not have the correction, only beeping. We want to teach the dog that the beeping only starts around the flags, so when the correction is actually applied the dog knows exactly what to do and is not fearful.

I would make sure to deactivate the correction, and start back on the first stage of training. You may have to take a little longer on this phase. It may take a little longer now that the dog had a bad initial experience. Projecting confidence during the training will be important.

Tom December 5, 2011 at 12:06 pm

Hi! I have an Innotek SD2100 system fencing approx. 1-1/2 acres. This system has worked really well for a 5 yr old border collie mix. He has always respected the boundaries, even when not wearing his collar. I recently became the owner of a Blue Heeler / Australian Shepard (although I think he has some Great Pyrenees in him) puppy who is now 8 mo. old. We trained him to the fence at 6 mo. old and initially he responded well. However, now he has learned he can run thru the fence when he really wants to. The setting is on “high” and I know the correction is getting to him because he yelps when running thru the fence. He respects the boundaries most of the time – just not when he is really tempted (like a squirrel or another dog). I do have a SportDog 400 remote trainer which he responds to immediately – but only on the higher settings (5 – 6). I’ve taken to keeping this on him most of the time now – but it is hard to constantly watch him. My question is: would the Stubborn Dog system work for him?

ADMIN – Hi Tom,

Since we are sure that the dog is indeed getting the correction, you could certainly go to a stronger correction collar like the PetSafe Stubborn. I am surprised that a Blue Heeler / Aussie Shepherd needs a particularly strong correction – those breed are not known to need a lot of correction to respond (although Pyrenees sometimes do need the stronger collars)

Before doing that, you may want to try using your existing collar, but making the correction zone wider, and doing some of the remedial training with temptations (stage 3 in our training regime).

Cynthia mellom December 1, 2011 at 7:43 pm

Boxer female puppy (10) months old loves the school bus and greeting all the kids and jumping over their heads with joy at being “free to run & jump”. We have the Petsafe system and has worked well with the 4 year old Shar-pei mix male. We have a collar withRF-275 is this the stubborn dog model??? Please help with the boxer she is to energetic for the kids!!

ADMIN – Hi Cynthia,

The RF-275 is indeed the petSafe Stubborn receiver collar. That kind of collar would be too strong for a Shar Pei, but would work with a Boxer.

Joe November 27, 2011 at 3:20 pm

I am a Ham Radio with MARS/RACES and ARES transmission operation capabilities. What are the frequencies that I would need to avoid.

ADMIN – Hi Joe,
No need to really worry on this. The requirement is to set the radio anywhere between 60 and 600 AM that is not a radio station. For PetSafe fences, you’ll need an additional product to locate breaks, the PetSafe Boundary Wire Break Locator that includes a test transmitter vital in setting up a proper test. This item is located on the second page under the PetSafe products page in our online store.

Tracy November 23, 2011 at 10:42 am

I have a pet safe stubborn dog collar and perimeter. When i bought it I thought it stated that the dog continued to receive a correction if the dog got through the fence line. Is that not correct. I have 2 dogs that continue to get through and take off. Any help you can give is appreciated.

ADMIN – Hi Tracy,
As you’ve discovered, there is a radius around the boundary wire that is increased or decreased on the wall transmitter. However, the issue you have with your dogs is not a correction or boundary problem. It’s a training issue. The success of these systems is built on training as correction alone will not contain any dog. The solution for you is multifaceted but doable. First, you’ll need to make sure your dogs are contained in the house or a kennel in-between training. When you let them out keep them on a leash. Re-training is futile otherwise. I recommend 3, 15 minute training sessions daily with each dog. You’ll need to reset flags as well. While on leash you’ll want to let your dog lead you around until they try to cross the boundary flags. When they cross the flags, you will need to assertively yank them back and run while commanding “No! No! No!” in a strong voice. Then repeat. I also recommend staging distractions and training while your dog is in an excited state. This is when he’ll most likely try to breach the boundary. Repeat the process until your dog turns their back to the flags and distractions on the other side. Then you’ll be able to begin letting them off leash for short amounts of time, which will eventually grow to unsupervised play time in the yard. The key is to train your dog to perform the right response and that you are in control. You set the boundary rules for them. Remember, when they do the right thing, also give them lots of praise.

Michele November 14, 2011 at 8:57 pm

We have a two year old Australian Shepherd. We have a regular system that he is trained to well and knows his boundaries. He will stay inside his fence consistently…until any motorized anything goes outside the fence. We live on a farm so that includes a tractor, gator, four-wheeler and then he gets a running start and yelps the entire way through. He won’t return on his own but sit at the edge and bark until we come remove his collar. We use long prongs but haven’t shaved his neck. We are considering the stubborn dog system. Do we really need the stubborn dog system? The neighbor has threatened to shoot him and we don’t want that. Suggestions?

ADMIN – Hi Michele,

The problem is a behavioral issue, not a fence correction issue. So, a different, stronger correction will not fix the problem. The key is to go back to training until he understands and obeys. Put your Australian Shepherd on a long leash, put the flags back up, and stage the problem scenario. Have someone drive tractors and other things across the boundary while you hold the end of the long lead. When he tries to run past the flags, assertively pull the lead, run in the opposite direction while yelling “no, no, no.” Do this daily, 3 times a day if possible for up to 15 minutes at a time. You’ll need to be patient and persistent. Also, during training, if you know you’re about to drive out of the boundary, you will need to put your dog up in-between training sessions. Until he can obey the boundary, he must be only allowed out when you can supervise him.

Jamie Houser November 5, 2011 at 10:47 pm

We just purchased this system for our dogs, we live on a 30 acre farm but are fencing off our yard and barn lot for the dogs (about 3 acres) we have 2 130lb Great Pyrenees that are going to be the real test on this, a lab/pit mix and a mini Aussie, we have a JRT and a Catahoula that I did not purchase collars for as the Catahoula is elderly and this training method would not be suitable for him and the JRT is primarily a house dog. I just had one concern is it going to compromise the ability of the fence having 4+ dogs on it, I am thinking it shouldn’t but wanted to double check. I am very excited to finish installation and start training with them!

ADMIN – Hi Jamie,

Great question. There is no limit to how many collars you can put on the system and it will operate a full capacity.

Lori October 22, 2011 at 10:11 am

Hi! We have a new 8 week old redbone coonhound. We were thinking of getting some sort of invisible fence in the next few months. Would this system work for our coonhound?

ADMIN – Hi Lori,

For your Redbone , the Innotek IUC-4100 would be a good choice. It offers a slim fit rechargeable collar. The PetSafe Stubborn would also be a good choice; it uses a disposable 9V battery and is a little cheaper.

Mike October 10, 2011 at 5:49 pm

Hello,

I’m adopting two 12 week old Golden Retriever / Great Pyranese mix pups next week. I’m concerned about the wandering nature and the “stubbornness” of the Pyranese and considering the Petsafe Stubborn invisible fence. I have about 1.5 acres of land to enclose. What do you think?

Mike

ADMIN – Hi Mike,

While, we don’t exactly what to expect with your mix pups, we know that both Golden’s and Great Pyrenees do very well on the Innotek 4100 fence. While the Great Pyrenees can be strong-willed, I would not consider either breed as “stubborn.” Both Golden’s and Pyrenees are very responsive to training and are very loyal dogs. I feel confident recommending the Innotek 4100 for your two pups.

Jennifer October 6, 2011 at 12:50 pm

Hi. We have a 7 month old Great Pyrenees. We want to install the Stubborn Dog in-ground fence for her. We have three & a half acres out in the county. About a quarter of the property has those Huge Power Transmission Lines cutting across it. (they are not the ones that run along the side of the road, they are the large “transmission lines” bringing power to the substations.) Will that interfere with our system in any way?
Do you have any suggestions for systems used near or under those large transmission lines?
Thank you for your support. :)

ADMIN – Hi Jennifer,

Yes they can create interference. I’d recommend keeping a good distance of 15 to 20 feet away if not more.

Pam October 5, 2011 at 3:10 pm

I have a one year old Bouvier I have tried the innotek SD-2000 had great results when he was first trained now he ignores the beep and walks right through the fence. I tried tightening his collar my husband even held onto the collar to make sure it worked lol… Yup it works just not for Bear…. Don’t want to invest in another system that wont work what would you suggest……

ADMIN – Hi Pam,

Your husband’s test tells us that the system works. This means the problem is likely that the dog is not getting the correction. To confirm, watch the dog when they go through the fence and see their reaction. If there is no reaction, they are not getting the correction. With a Bouvier – this is most likely caused because the prongs are not contact the skin. You may need to trim a little fur to get a good connection.

If there is a reaction, but the dog is ignoring it – you will need to use a stronger collar, make the boundaries a little wider, and do a bit of remedial training.

Jessie October 4, 2011 at 5:29 pm

Hello, I have two dogs, Male, uneutered Rottie/Goldie/Chow, and Female, Rottie, spayed. They were my indoor “babies”, until I had my daughter a 1 1/2 ago. They are in a rather large pen, and seem happy, but I really feel bad for them. They stay outside all of the time now, and I want them to be able to interact with me when Im in the yard and sniff around and get all the excersize they can handle. I have a large yard, about 3/4 acre, but dont want them up front. I tried tying them up to trees in my yard, but they become restless on the leash and wind up wanting to go back in the pen. You see, I would walk them but they will not leave each others side. Plus, my male does not like many other dogs and people in my neighborhood will not keep track of their pets and let them wander around! The last time I took them for a walk, they wound up taking me for a ride on my tooshie :'(. Basically, I am wondering if this system would really work for my two pups – actually they are really 5 & 7 years old…- and how in the world would I train them? Together or seperate? I would appreciate any advice on this…I really hate seeing them penned up all day n miss spending time with them. Thanks! Jessie

ADMIN – Hi Jessie,

If you train the dogs it will almost certainly work for you. You would need to commit to training them each for ten minutes, three times a day, for 2-3 weeks. Without the training, it is a coin toss. There is training program in our Training section that you can use to get familiar with the process. http://www.dogfencediy.com/training/ But, essentially you are going to teach them that whenever they hear the warning or feel the correction, they need to turn and retreat to turn it off.

You would need to train them each separately – putting one dog out of sight while you train the other (perhaps in the house). When you train the dogs together, they pay too much attention to each other and not enough attention to you.

Eric October 2, 2011 at 10:27 am

We have a 1-1/2 yr old mini bulldog and I’m considering the Stubborn Dog Fence because I like the beep and vibrate warning system. Is my dog known for low pain tolerance? I know he’s very muscular, strong, and bull-headed. Your web site is very useful. Thanks.

ADMIN – Hi Eric,

Bulldogs can often have high pain tolerance (due to their breeding). Of course this is not true for all bulldogs, so you always want to start on the lower levels and work your way up only if necessary.

With a mini-bulldog, you are very unlikely to need something so high powered. It would work, but you would probably want to keep it on the lower levels.

Tony September 20, 2011 at 1:05 pm

I currently have an Innotek fence. The control module has this part number on it, 0900063-2. Would it be compatible with the PetSafe Stubborn Dog collar?

My dog is mix breed, with what appears to be border collie and chow as the dominant breeds. She is around 45 lbs. She trained very well and knows the border, but some new dogs moved in next door and she is very protective of our property. She will bark very intensely, to the point where she crosses the fence line. I notice that she does feel the current collar, but will still gradually progress across the line during her frenzied barking at the other dogs. I am think she needs a little more correction than the current collar provides as she knows very well where the border at any other time. I have trimmed the hair on her neck and tightened the current collar as much as I feel I can.

ADMIN – Hi Tony,

None of the Innotek fences are going to be compatible with the Petsafe Stubborn collar. To use the Petsafe Stubborn collar, you will need one of hte PetSafe transmitters.

If she is only moving gradually, my initial hypothesis would be that she is probably not getting the correction. The second possibility is that the correction is not being triggered or is weak – do you know what type of Innotek System you have (send a picture of the collar and transmitter if you don’t have a model number). Chows are among the breeds that can need a higher correction level.

If it turns out we need a new system. The PetSafe Stubborn could help if the problem is the correction being too low. The Innotek IUC-4100 would be helpful if the problem is getting a poor collar fit.

Johnny Graves September 16, 2011 at 5:59 pm

Hey, grabbed one of these Stubborn dog level collars… (It was the only one available at the home depot) I’ve tried it on myself and just now the dog… I worry even the lowest level is too high? Is it close to what a normal collar is? or is even the basic level higher? (crappy chinese collar had the strength level I’d feel appropriate, but didn’t work well)

ADMIN – Hi Johnny,

The PetSafe Stubborn collar is about 2x a regular collar, even at the lower levels. I would avoid using the collar on small or particularly timid dogs, the correction level would be too high and would overwhelm the dog which is not good for training. You can use a resistor to knock down the correction level if you want to keep the collar.

Rick September 8, 2011 at 2:36 pm

would flooding water cause it to beep had fence for 6 to 8 yrs now no problems before?

Admin- Hi Rick,

The flood waters could have jarred a splice loose causing a break in the boundary wire. To locate a break in the PetSafe system, you will need a PetSafe wire break locator.

Break Locator: http://dogfencediy.com/store/accessories/petsafe-boundary-wire-locator.html

Carol August 30, 2011 at 10:02 am

I have a FULL blooded Boxer.We have the PetSafe Wireless system It has been great but it doesn’t seem to contain my boxer if people or other dogs are walking past the house , he runs straight thru the highest correction regardless now . My husband and I have done all we can to make sure it is working properly and it seems to be. Its getting to be a real nuisance for my neighbors and me. Will a stubborn dog collar work with this system ? Please let me know something soon . Thanks, Carol

ADMIN – Hi Carol,

I would first check to see if the dog is actually getting the correction. Often due to a poorly fitting collar (probes not touching dog’s skin) or a malfunctioning collar the dog is not getting correction. See what the dog’s reaction is when he goes through the boundary. Does the collar beep, does he yelp?

If there is no reaction at all, it is most likely that the collar is not working or that the collar is not fitted correctly. If there is a reaction (i.e. he yelps) but he keeps on going – then it might be that the correction is too low.

Boxers sometimes have a low pain sensitivity due to their breeding and need a stronger correction. In that case he would benefit from a PetSafe Stubborn and some remedial training. But, lets check the easy (and free) stuff first.

Phill August 26, 2011 at 8:29 pm

I have a Deluxe fence that is about 10 years old. I just replaced the wire and purchased a new collar because my previous collar would go off for no reason. The new collar with the new buried wire worked great for three weeks and now the collar is going off for no reason like the previous. Is it the transmitting unit that is bad or could the collar picking up a signal from another source? What should I do.

Admin- Hi Phill,

We first recommend running a test loop. This test is will determining any issues on the transmitter, wire, and collar. Simply unplug your boundary wires from the transmitter and plug in a 15-20 foot section of boundary wire. Adjust the boundary width down to around the minimum level to test loop with the collar and take note of the distance at which the collar responds. Then move the boundary width dial to 9 ‘o clock and note the distance. If the collar responds, we know the collar is fine and if the distance at which the collar responded increased when the boundary width was turned up to 9 ‘o clock, we know the transmitter is working fine and the problem lines in the boundary wire.

Debbie August 24, 2011 at 4:34 pm

We have a 5yr Labrador and a 1yr old English Bulldog. We purchased the stubborn dog in ground fence but have not installed it yet because I am worried it is too strong for them. However, we bought it because when the go into the crazy runs we are afraid they may just run right through just because they are seriously playing / running like crazy! The bull dog is seriously fast too…can run circles around the lab who is pretty fast in his own right. Any thoughts? The caveat is our back yard is lake front but front yard is on a busy road. We want the “kids” to enjoy the back yard and lake with us unrestrained without worry they will break through and possibly get hit by a car…thanks for any advise..

ADMIN – Hi Debbie,

The will work fine with those two dogs, just start with the collar set to the lower correction levels. If you follow the training steps, you should be able to get them contained. They are smart dogs and should quickly learn to obey the new boundary rules. Properly trained, the dogs will not realize that running through is a possibility and will assume the only way to avoid correction is to “turn & retreat” away from the boundary line back toward the house.

Christina Riley August 6, 2011 at 12:05 am

I was wondering if you are able to use a small pvc pipe around the wire to keep the moles from eating through the wire. We have a lot of moles and they keep eaging through my aunts electric fence. We want to get the fence but dont want to have to worry about the moles breaking it and trying to find the break to fix it…

Admin- Hi Christina,

You can certainly run the wire through PVC pipe to ensure protection from the rodents.

Lester July 24, 2011 at 9:55 pm

I am training my two Doberman 6-month old pups (one at a time) with the Stubborn Dog Fence. Today I just started Step 2, using the static correction. I have the collars set on level 3, which PetSafe describes as “medium static correction” for timid or average dogs. When the dogs get the correction, they jump up in the air with all four feet leaving the ground! Then they immediately run well back into the safe area. I do praise them and give them a treat for returning in the yard, and they seem to act okay after a few seconds. Do you think the correction is too high? I make sure they only get one correction per training session.

ADMIN – Hi Lester,

I would turn it down a notch to Level 2 and see if the dogs react. You don’t want to have a correction level so low that the dog isn’t highly motivated to react. But, you also don’t want it so high the dog gets overwhelmed.

From the sounds of your comment, I think the dogs could easily go down one level. That PetSafe Stubborn collar correction is strong! You are doing the right thing in working through the steps of the training and limiting the number of corrections per session – with Dobermans I would expect they are progressing quite nicely.

Arthur Jashienski July 23, 2011 at 6:27 pm

I have a 5 year old boxer that loves to jump fences. She jumps our 6 foot privacy fence by climbing up the 2×4 boards on the inside of the fence. My questions is do I need to put the wire along the fence line or do I need to move the wire off the fence so she will get shocked before she starts climbing. I am at my last chance with this dog. If this stubborn dog fence doesnt work, I will have to get rid of her because she will not stay in the yard at all. Please let me know what you think about where to put the wire and also if you can give me any other advice, it would be greatly appreciated.

Admin- Hi Arthur,

You will be able to bury the wire or attach dog fence wire to your stationary fence; this will solve your containment issue almost instantly. For your fence you can simply attach the wire either 12 to 18 inches off the ground. You are going to be able to adjust the boundary wire signal to fit your preference.

Liz July 23, 2011 at 2:08 pm

Hi, about 4 months ago, wrote to you because we had had an electrical storm that blew the transmitter box off the wall and the wiring was fried on our stubborn petsafe system. We replaced it, but I could never find the item you mentioned to attach to the transmitter box to keep it from getting fried if there was ever another lightning strike. Another lightning strike ocurred yesterday and my transmitter box no longer works. Wiring seems unaffected and the box looks normal, only it doesn’t work. The outlet is working, so it isn’t the problem. I am spending a small fortune to keep my dog safe, and I wouldn’t trade the peace of mind for anything, so…1.) Do you know of any company that sells just the transmitter box without collar and wiring–don’t need them. 2.) What is the go-between item that will keep the transmitter box from being damaged in an electrical storm, and where can I order it? Will it keep it completely safe if the wires are fried? Is my system a beacon for lightning? 3.) Is there anything to look for and repair in the damaged transmitter box? Thank you so much for your good advice. I wish I had pursued trying to find the prevention item to avoid such a costly expense!

Admin- Hi Liz,

1)We sale the PetSafe transmitters and power adaptor only for $129.95.
2)We also sale the Lightning Protection module that will protect your transmitter from receiving electrical surges in your house outlet and electrical surges in the boundary wire. http://dogfencediy.com/store/accessories/lightning-protection.html

3)First I would contact PetSafe directly. Your transmitter may be covered under a warranty if it is damaged. PetSafe Directly (800) 732-2677

Autumn July 12, 2011 at 1:15 pm

Hi!
First of all, I want to thank you so much for this site. Every question we could ever have about buying, installing, and using an underground wired fence has been answered….with the exception of one. I have looked through just about every review and can’t find one person questioning using the system with Doberman Pinschers. I know, obviously, that the system with work with the size of the breed….i am just curious to see if you would have any insight with using the system alongside the intellectual capacity of the breed. We have one Dobe that is absolutely perfect…and then there is Max. He is actually capable of busting 1×4 boards out of our privacy fence and leading poor Mia astray!! Give him 2 more months and we are sure that the fence is going to be rendered useless! Hence, our need for a little “deterrence” for Mr. Max so we can begin to replace the fence.
Since Mia has never caused any issues, should we place a collar on her and train her as well…or only use one on the trouble maker?? Again..just wondering what your experience with the breed is. Thanks so much for your knowledge and your time!!

Admin- Hi Autumn,

The PetSafe Stubborn dog Fence will be your best option. We find Doberman Pinschers to be very intelligent and easy to train. With good training, your Doberman should become obedient to the new fence. We also have experienced that attaching the boundary wire 12 -18 inches up to an existing fence will solve most containment issues very quickly. I would start out with just the one collar on Max. If Mia becomes a problem in the future with containment, you can always add an additional collar.

Shane July 11, 2011 at 11:42 pm

I’ve got a lab and a beagle that we are planning to contain with an in-ground fence (regular for the lab and stubborn for the beagle). We live relatively close to Lake Michigan and get dumped on with several feet of snow at a time. Will they still get corrected with several foot of snow between them and the wire…. or should I lay a heavier gauge down? or not bury it where possible? ideas?

ADMIN – Hi Shane,

When the snow starts building up on the ground, you need to turn up the boundary width dial on the transmitter to help the signal get through all that snow, turn turn it down when the snow melts in spring. Be sure to get a system that is capable of powering a much larger area of boundary wire than you need (i.e. get something rated to 10 acres, even if you are only doing 1 acre) as the system will be more powerful and able to go through more snow.

1-2 feet of accumulation is fine. Once you get more than that the system will have a lot of trouble penetrating the snow even at full strength – particularly if the snow is hard packed rather than powder.

A heavier gauge of wire won’t help you with the snow, but will give you a slightly more durable fence especially if you choose not to bury the wire.

Carrie July 8, 2011 at 1:57 am

Hello, I need your advise. We live in a subdivision on a .25 acre lot. We have a wonderful 1.5 year old black lab/Pitt-bull mix who is primarily a house dog. She is a good dog and most days we can take her off her chain and play ball for hours and she will stay close to the house. However, once a month or so, she will run off as fast as she can and refuses to come until she has worn herself out. She easily escapes from all collars and harnesses we have tried. She was the runt of her litter and is very timid and easily spooked. Once she saw a deer walk through the back yard and had to be practically drug outside for a week and still had to have someone next to her. But she also has a very high pain tolerance. One of her toys cut her chin so bad it was dripping a path of blood and she acted like nothing happened. We need to get a fence for her very soon, but I can’t decide which one. I don’t want her to be afraid of the yard, but I want her to know she has to stay inside it. I should also add that she is around 50# and we would like to add a Jack Russell to the family sometime soon. Carrie

ADMIN – Hi Carrie,

With a low pain sensitivity dog (common in Pitbull mixes), a stronger collar like the PetSafe Stubborn is a good bet. I would start on the lower correction levels and would not assume that you need a high correction level – but it is good to have higher levels in reserve in case you need them. With the PetSafe Stubborn, you can other PetSafe collars, like the PetSafe Little Dog Collar if you later add a smaller dog like a Jack Russell.

Making the dog confident in the yard, obeying the rules and not fearful is largely dependent on the training. Follow our training protocol, with the introductory no-correction stage, and you will be in good shape. You always want to calibrate the training after you see the dog’s reaction. If the dog is getting fearful you lean more heavily on reward based training, and if the dog is being deliberately disobedient you lean more on the correction.

Jamie June 24, 2011 at 7:06 pm

I have a small collie/shephard mix that is 6 and just the beep scares her and she is great on our current underground fence, low shock 2000 system. We also have a 7 month old lab/Aust. Shephard mix that pays no attention to our current fence. She will actually stand on the line and keep getting shocked or slow down to cross the line. The beep or the correction does not bother her what so ever. We have quite a few neighbor dogs and she is determined she will cross the fence and go play. Do you think this system will work for the puppy?

ADMIN – Hi Jamie,

The correction is what reinforces the boundary rules. So, if you’re pup believes there is no real consequence to breaking the boundary rules, I doubt the current fence will contain your Lab mix pup. A fence with multiple correction levels would be ideal.

Christina Riley June 21, 2011 at 9:33 pm

Hi I have a 7 month old husky golden retriever mix and was wondering if the stubborn dog fence would be appropriate. He may be cute but he is very hard headed and thinks he can go where ever he wants. He will sit and shake but forget about it if you tell him to come. He does not seem to be phased by pain so I am not sure the petsafe fence will be strong enough. Thanks. Christina

ADMIN – Hi Christina,

If the dog tends to be less sensitive to pain, you will probably need a stronger correction and the PetSafe Stubborn would be a good choice. I would start the collar on the medium-low setting. I would be surprised if you need to go much higher than medium. Neither huskies nor goldens generally require a lot of correction.

It is really important with those dogs to get the collar fitted correctly so that the probes are touching the skin. The dog feels no correction if there is not good skin contact. So you may want to trim the hair a little on the underside of the neck where the prongs contact the skin. You will also want to use the long prongs with the collar instead of the regular size prongs.

Eva Reynolds June 6, 2011 at 7:49 am

I currently have the Petsafe invisible fence installed. My 90lb male American Bulldog/Boxer stays in in 95% of the time. He doesn’t like the shock at all! My 40lb female English Bulldog/Boxer goes right through it. She barely even winces. We have tried training her, but haven’t had any success. Can I just purchase a Petsafe Stubborn Dog collar for her and use it with my current system, or do I need the Stubborn system?

ADMIN – Hi Eva,

If you already have a PetSafe fence, you can simply add a PetSafe collar and it will work with your existing fence.

Cheryl May 23, 2011 at 6:38 pm

Can I run the wire through steel pipe to sink it in the lake and go out beyond the dock? Will running the wire through a lead pipe (or any other material) block the signal?

ADMIN – Hi Cheryl,

You can run the wire through metal piping. I prefer to use a flexible conduit like irrigation pipe because it is easier to work with, but metal works fine too.

Lead pipe, nor any other conduit we are aware of consistently blocks the signal. The only way to create dead sections in the loop is through having a creative layout.

Cheryl May 23, 2011 at 9:32 am

We want to use a heavy gauge wire in the woods. How heavy can we go? Also does it have to be single strand or can we use multi strand.

ADMIN – Hi Cheryl,

You can use any gauge wire thicker than 20 gauge. The thicker wire is actually easier for the transmitter to transmit the signal (it is like having wider lanes on the highway). Multi-strand wire works just as well as solid core.

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