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		<title>By: Tim Crosby</title>
		<link>http://www.dogfencediy.com/installation/plan/comment-page-1/#comment-2230</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 23:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the wonderful info. I am planning out my system and would love your assistance before purchasing (from you!)

I basically have a square lot with the house in the center. We need the fence on three sides but not the fourth, which is a wood fence the dogs like to lean against to get out of the sun. I do not have enough room on one side to just make a double loop back (don&#039;t have 9 feet before the yard area) so am trying to figure out how to loop wire down the &#039;shade&#039; fence.

I am thinking of making one large loop, then making another loop that is twisted out to that shade fence, then twists up and down that side to fully deactivate it. The question: can I run a twist involving three runs of wire instead of two: the main loop line, plus the second line that is fully twisted either on itself then the main line, or just fully braided with the main line?

Thank you.

ADMIN - Hi Tim,

Unfortunately twisting three wires will reactivate the line.  There is really no way to avoid having a full loop of active single wire.  If that shade fence is high enough (6+ feet) - one thing you could do is run the wire along the very top of that fence.  The vertical height over the dogs would let them go right up to the base of the fence without getting the correction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the wonderful info. I am planning out my system and would love your assistance before purchasing (from you!)</p>
<p>I basically have a square lot with the house in the center. We need the fence on three sides but not the fourth, which is a wood fence the dogs like to lean against to get out of the sun. I do not have enough room on one side to just make a double loop back (don&#8217;t have 9 feet before the yard area) so am trying to figure out how to loop wire down the &#8217;shade&#8217; fence.</p>
<p>I am thinking of making one large loop, then making another loop that is twisted out to that shade fence, then twists up and down that side to fully deactivate it. The question: can I run a twist involving three runs of wire instead of two: the main loop line, plus the second line that is fully twisted either on itself then the main line, or just fully braided with the main line?</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
<p>ADMIN &#8211; Hi Tim,</p>
<p>Unfortunately twisting three wires will reactivate the line.  There is really no way to avoid having a full loop of active single wire.  If that shade fence is high enough (6+ feet) &#8211; one thing you could do is run the wire along the very top of that fence.  The vertical height over the dogs would let them go right up to the base of the fence without getting the correction.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Murray</title>
		<link>http://www.dogfencediy.com/installation/plan/comment-page-1/#comment-2217</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 16:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have a question concerning installation. We are buying a house with 2.6 acres that is 95% fenced. The only open area that we want to wireless fence is the driveway entrance. Can we make a loop around the driveway/gate area only? Or do the dogs have to be contained inside the loop?

ADMIN - Hi Mike,

You have two options:

(1) Use one of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://dogfencediy.com/store/accessories/rock.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pawz Away Outdoor Zone&lt;/a&gt; Pods - and create a small loop just across the driveway entrance.  This option will be a lot easier and cheaper.  But, the outdoor zone systems are not quite as high quality.  I would try this option first.

(2) Use a Full System - you would run twisted wire from the transmitter (in the house or garage) out to the driveway, then do a small loop at the driveway or gate area.

The small loop would just cross the driveway at the point you want to block them, then cross back somewhere six plus feet away.  This small loop will create a barrier.  The dogs do not need to be contained in the loop, you can use the loop as a barrier too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have a question concerning installation. We are buying a house with 2.6 acres that is 95% fenced. The only open area that we want to wireless fence is the driveway entrance. Can we make a loop around the driveway/gate area only? Or do the dogs have to be contained inside the loop?</p>
<p>ADMIN &#8211; Hi Mike,</p>
<p>You have two options:</p>
<p>(1) Use one of the <a href="http://dogfencediy.com/store/accessories/rock.html" rel="nofollow">Pawz Away Outdoor Zone</a> Pods &#8211; and create a small loop just across the driveway entrance.  This option will be a lot easier and cheaper.  But, the outdoor zone systems are not quite as high quality.  I would try this option first.</p>
<p>(2) Use a Full System &#8211; you would run twisted wire from the transmitter (in the house or garage) out to the driveway, then do a small loop at the driveway or gate area.</p>
<p>The small loop would just cross the driveway at the point you want to block them, then cross back somewhere six plus feet away.  This small loop will create a barrier.  The dogs do not need to be contained in the loop, you can use the loop as a barrier too.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheryl Hawks</title>
		<link>http://www.dogfencediy.com/installation/plan/comment-page-1/#comment-2214</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheryl Hawks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,

We recently purchased a Petsafe fence for our German Shepard.  Our neighbor already has an electrical fence installed along the property line.  How close to the neighbors fence can I place our fence?  Also, if I want to try the back yard installation over the back of the house, how high up does the wire need to be so the dog can enter the house safely? Thank you

Sheryl

ADMIN - Hi Sheryl,

You want to keep your fence wire twelve feet from the neighbor&#039;s fence wire.  Otherwise you will get the two fences interfering along the common boundary and neither will work on that common boundary.  Another option is to use the Perimeter Technologies or newly updated SportDog SDF-100 - these systems let you adjust the transmission frequency so that you can avoid interfering with your neighbor&#039;s system.

The vertical clearance you need over the dog depends on how wide you have the boundary set up.  I like to add three feet of safety space to the boundary width.  So if you want the boundary to be four feet wide, I would want seven feet of clearance over the dog&#039;s head to be comfortable with the installation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,</p>
<p>We recently purchased a Petsafe fence for our German Shepard.  Our neighbor already has an electrical fence installed along the property line.  How close to the neighbors fence can I place our fence?  Also, if I want to try the back yard installation over the back of the house, how high up does the wire need to be so the dog can enter the house safely? Thank you</p>
<p>Sheryl</p>
<p>ADMIN &#8211; Hi Sheryl,</p>
<p>You want to keep your fence wire twelve feet from the neighbor&#8217;s fence wire.  Otherwise you will get the two fences interfering along the common boundary and neither will work on that common boundary.  Another option is to use the Perimeter Technologies or newly updated SportDog SDF-100 &#8211; these systems let you adjust the transmission frequency so that you can avoid interfering with your neighbor&#8217;s system.</p>
<p>The vertical clearance you need over the dog depends on how wide you have the boundary set up.  I like to add three feet of safety space to the boundary width.  So if you want the boundary to be four feet wide, I would want seven feet of clearance over the dog&#8217;s head to be comfortable with the installation.</p>
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		<title>By: Joan Merriam</title>
		<link>http://www.dogfencediy.com/installation/plan/comment-page-1/#comment-2098</link>
		<dc:creator>Joan Merriam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 19:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just installed the Innotek IUC4100 around appx. 2 acres of my property, but have a physical fence that lies along one section of the property line (maybe 300 feet long). There&#039;s a pathway that runs directly alongside the fence that I want my dog to be able to follow, but I need to have the boundary wire far enough away so he doesn&#039;t get zapped or warned. Since I have a nasty neighbor on that side, asking him if I can run the wire on his property isn&#039;t an option...so here&#039;s my question:  presuming I have the boundary width set to between 5 &amp; 6 feet, can I run the boundary wire along the top of the 6-foot high fence without fear of giving my dog a correction? Is this my best and/or only option (other than digging a 7-foot-deep trench...NOT!!)?

ADMIN - Hi Joan,

Elevating the wire to the top of the fence is a great way to reduce the distance that signal travels.  If the fence is six foot high, I might turn down the boundary width to 3-4 feet just to be conservative and give hte dog a bit of a safety buffer when walking on the pathway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just installed the Innotek IUC4100 around appx. 2 acres of my property, but have a physical fence that lies along one section of the property line (maybe 300 feet long). There&#8217;s a pathway that runs directly alongside the fence that I want my dog to be able to follow, but I need to have the boundary wire far enough away so he doesn&#8217;t get zapped or warned. Since I have a nasty neighbor on that side, asking him if I can run the wire on his property isn&#8217;t an option&#8230;so here&#8217;s my question:  presuming I have the boundary width set to between 5 &amp; 6 feet, can I run the boundary wire along the top of the 6-foot high fence without fear of giving my dog a correction? Is this my best and/or only option (other than digging a 7-foot-deep trench&#8230;NOT!!)?</p>
<p>ADMIN &#8211; Hi Joan,</p>
<p>Elevating the wire to the top of the fence is a great way to reduce the distance that signal travels.  If the fence is six foot high, I might turn down the boundary width to 3-4 feet just to be conservative and give hte dog a bit of a safety buffer when walking on the pathway.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
		<link>http://www.dogfencediy.com/installation/plan/comment-page-1/#comment-2064</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 18:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to run a complete loop right around our property, with the wire crossing our driveway through the expansion joint closer to the road.  I would like the coverage on the driveway to prevent them from having free access.
   My question is do I have to remove the collar everytime we take them in the car (once a day sometimes more) to prevent them from getting zapped as we back down the driveway, or will the car itself protect them from the shock.  Thank You

ADMIN - Hi Charlie,

Sometimes the height of the car above the ground lets you drive them over without triggering the collar.  But this is hit and miss.  I like to play it safe and always take the collar off the dog before taking them for a ride in the car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to run a complete loop right around our property, with the wire crossing our driveway through the expansion joint closer to the road.  I would like the coverage on the driveway to prevent them from having free access.<br />
   My question is do I have to remove the collar everytime we take them in the car (once a day sometimes more) to prevent them from getting zapped as we back down the driveway, or will the car itself protect them from the shock.  Thank You</p>
<p>ADMIN &#8211; Hi Charlie,</p>
<p>Sometimes the height of the car above the ground lets you drive them over without triggering the collar.  But this is hit and miss.  I like to play it safe and always take the collar off the dog before taking them for a ride in the car.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://www.dogfencediy.com/installation/plan/comment-page-1/#comment-2057</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 16:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, my question is coming from a totally different application. I live on a farm and would like to fence completely around my house to keep the dog away from the house. He is a destructive dog that likes to tear up EVERYTHING!! But he is great with the kids and we have given him freerange over our 120 acre farm. What (if any) feedback do you have from customers who wish to use the underground dog fence in this manner?? If it helps it is a large 2 year old lab and maybe not the smartest dog in the pack.

ADMIN - Hi Laura,

You can use a system the opposite way to most people to keep the dog away from the house.  This is usually very easy, and requires even less training, because the dog cannot run through the boundary and gets the correction continuously untill the retreat back away from the house.  

You just install the wire, around the perimeter of the house, put up the flags, and then train the dog in much the same way you would if you were doing containment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, my question is coming from a totally different application. I live on a farm and would like to fence completely around my house to keep the dog away from the house. He is a destructive dog that likes to tear up EVERYTHING!! But he is great with the kids and we have given him freerange over our 120 acre farm. What (if any) feedback do you have from customers who wish to use the underground dog fence in this manner?? If it helps it is a large 2 year old lab and maybe not the smartest dog in the pack.</p>
<p>ADMIN &#8211; Hi Laura,</p>
<p>You can use a system the opposite way to most people to keep the dog away from the house.  This is usually very easy, and requires even less training, because the dog cannot run through the boundary and gets the correction continuously untill the retreat back away from the house.  </p>
<p>You just install the wire, around the perimeter of the house, put up the flags, and then train the dog in much the same way you would if you were doing containment.</p>
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		<title>By: paul</title>
		<link>http://www.dogfencediy.com/installation/plan/comment-page-1/#comment-2029</link>
		<dc:creator>paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 01:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I need to keep my dog from going into one neighbors yard, but is ok for him to go into the yard on the opposite side of mine. Conventionally this would be a long thin loop (6 ft min spacing) only on one side of my yard. But this is very long, about 400ft. How much current is in the wire? Would it be possible to use the earth for the return and use only a single wire one way to a ground stake at the far end? The return contact on the transmitter would of course also have to be grounded through a similar stake. This would allow burying the wire only in 400ft instead of 2x 400ft. (this is how telephone wire worked in years gone by....only one wire run and the earth as the return path)

ADMIN - Hi Paul,

That&#039;s not a solution we believe can work.  The system only works in a continuous loop.  800 feet of wire isn&#039;t a problem.  Most of the systems like the Innotek 4100 have a capacity of 5,000 feet of wire.  The difference in cost between running 400 and 800 feet of wire is around 20 dollars.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I need to keep my dog from going into one neighbors yard, but is ok for him to go into the yard on the opposite side of mine. Conventionally this would be a long thin loop (6 ft min spacing) only on one side of my yard. But this is very long, about 400ft. How much current is in the wire? Would it be possible to use the earth for the return and use only a single wire one way to a ground stake at the far end? The return contact on the transmitter would of course also have to be grounded through a similar stake. This would allow burying the wire only in 400ft instead of 2x 400ft. (this is how telephone wire worked in years gone by&#8230;.only one wire run and the earth as the return path)</p>
<p>ADMIN &#8211; Hi Paul,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not a solution we believe can work.  The system only works in a continuous loop.  800 feet of wire isn&#8217;t a problem.  Most of the systems like the Innotek 4100 have a capacity of 5,000 feet of wire.  The difference in cost between running 400 and 800 feet of wire is around 20 dollars.</p>
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		<title>By: Samantha</title>
		<link>http://www.dogfencediy.com/installation/plan/comment-page-1/#comment-1967</link>
		<dc:creator>Samantha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 21:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My husband and I just moved into a new house last October.  We have two dogs: a Basset Hound and a Black Mouth Cur.  They are both outside-only dogs.  The Basset is a real escape artist.  We used to live on 30 acres and she would frequently escape her pen.  We ran an electric fence around the whole thing, but we would have to turn it off to go in and out of the pen so it wouldn&#039;t shock us when we opened the gate.  Now we live in a neighborhood and I don&#039;t think it would be safe to have the electric fence on the backyard fence in case someone unknowingly got shocked.  The Basset has just discovered (after 6 months) that she can push under the yard fence and has gotten out twice in the last week.  My dilemma is that in your training guide you talk about only using your system for 15 minutes 3 times a day before you let them go off the leash.  Since they are outdoor-only dogs, they would need to wear it all of the time until they learned the boundary.  How would you suggest we do this?  And, since we take our dogs on walks almost daily, how do you suggest we train them if the only way in and out of the yard is through the gate with the boundary?  I need something that will be effective immediately for the safety of my dog since she is not used to living near a street with traffic.

ADMIN - Hi Samantha,

If you&#039;re dogs stay in the yard 24 hours, when you go to work contain the dogs however you were containing them before.    If you need to crate or chain them, do it ... it is a lot better than the dog continually escaping and being put at danger, it is just a short term measure.

As for the collar, you can try leaving the collar on 24/7 - lots of people do and it creates no problem, but be careful and check the neck every day for the first two weeks, then every week - a small number of dogs will get a skin reaction.

If you want to exercise your dog during training take the collar off and carry the dog over the boundary, or put them in the car and drive them over.  You have to do something that makes it clear it is a very different context.  Once they are trained we can train them to go through normally on command.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband and I just moved into a new house last October.  We have two dogs: a Basset Hound and a Black Mouth Cur.  They are both outside-only dogs.  The Basset is a real escape artist.  We used to live on 30 acres and she would frequently escape her pen.  We ran an electric fence around the whole thing, but we would have to turn it off to go in and out of the pen so it wouldn&#8217;t shock us when we opened the gate.  Now we live in a neighborhood and I don&#8217;t think it would be safe to have the electric fence on the backyard fence in case someone unknowingly got shocked.  The Basset has just discovered (after 6 months) that she can push under the yard fence and has gotten out twice in the last week.  My dilemma is that in your training guide you talk about only using your system for 15 minutes 3 times a day before you let them go off the leash.  Since they are outdoor-only dogs, they would need to wear it all of the time until they learned the boundary.  How would you suggest we do this?  And, since we take our dogs on walks almost daily, how do you suggest we train them if the only way in and out of the yard is through the gate with the boundary?  I need something that will be effective immediately for the safety of my dog since she is not used to living near a street with traffic.</p>
<p>ADMIN &#8211; Hi Samantha,</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re dogs stay in the yard 24 hours, when you go to work contain the dogs however you were containing them before.    If you need to crate or chain them, do it &#8230; it is a lot better than the dog continually escaping and being put at danger, it is just a short term measure.</p>
<p>As for the collar, you can try leaving the collar on 24/7 &#8211; lots of people do and it creates no problem, but be careful and check the neck every day for the first two weeks, then every week &#8211; a small number of dogs will get a skin reaction.</p>
<p>If you want to exercise your dog during training take the collar off and carry the dog over the boundary, or put them in the car and drive them over.  You have to do something that makes it clear it is a very different context.  Once they are trained we can train them to go through normally on command.</p>
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		<title>By: Destiny McDermott</title>
		<link>http://www.dogfencediy.com/installation/plan/comment-page-1/#comment-1932</link>
		<dc:creator>Destiny McDermott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 13:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, having trouble with my layout. We dont have many options to place the box so it has to be on the inside wall of the kitchen in back of the house. The problem is that in order to complete the loop we have to come around the house then up the center of the yard with twisted wire to connect to the box. The twisted wire will be about 30 feet long. Is that ok? No place in the garage for an outlet and the front porch sometimes get rain under there. It is just like the diagram shown where the twisted wire comes up the side of the house to complete to loop but mine will be up the center of the yard. Thanks!

ADMIN - Hi Destiny,

There&#039;s no distance limitations with twisted wire, so 30 feet is absolutely okay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, having trouble with my layout. We dont have many options to place the box so it has to be on the inside wall of the kitchen in back of the house. The problem is that in order to complete the loop we have to come around the house then up the center of the yard with twisted wire to connect to the box. The twisted wire will be about 30 feet long. Is that ok? No place in the garage for an outlet and the front porch sometimes get rain under there. It is just like the diagram shown where the twisted wire comes up the side of the house to complete to loop but mine will be up the center of the yard. Thanks!</p>
<p>ADMIN &#8211; Hi Destiny,</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no distance limitations with twisted wire, so 30 feet is absolutely okay.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve H.</title>
		<link>http://www.dogfencediy.com/installation/plan/comment-page-1/#comment-1926</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 17:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bought the Smart Dog system, but after seeing your video review (and having a similar initial reaction when first going through the box contents), I don&#039;t want to waste my time installing it.  So, here&#039;s my question:

When we bought our house about 10 years ago it already had a hidden fence system, but we didn&#039;t get a dog until about two years ago.  By now, I have probably severed the line in a few places during various landscaping projects.  Is it worth the effort to try to locate and repair the disconnects or just start from scratch?  Also, assuming I can get the line fixed, will it work with any new system I buy?

ADMIN - Hi Steve,

I recommend installing new boundary wire.  It&#039;s not worth the headache in time and energy to repair an old boundary wire.  If you rent an EZ Trench TP 400 or TP 300, you can run your new wire in half a days time.  This trencher will dig a 3&quot; trench, lay the wire, back fill it, and make you a sandwich.  While, I can&#039;t guarantee the sandwich, I&#039;m certain it will do the first three very well.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bought the Smart Dog system, but after seeing your video review (and having a similar initial reaction when first going through the box contents), I don&#8217;t want to waste my time installing it.  So, here&#8217;s my question:</p>
<p>When we bought our house about 10 years ago it already had a hidden fence system, but we didn&#8217;t get a dog until about two years ago.  By now, I have probably severed the line in a few places during various landscaping projects.  Is it worth the effort to try to locate and repair the disconnects or just start from scratch?  Also, assuming I can get the line fixed, will it work with any new system I buy?</p>
<p>ADMIN &#8211; Hi Steve,</p>
<p>I recommend installing new boundary wire.  It&#8217;s not worth the headache in time and energy to repair an old boundary wire.  If you rent an EZ Trench TP 400 or TP 300, you can run your new wire in half a days time.  This trencher will dig a 3&#8243; trench, lay the wire, back fill it, and make you a sandwich.  While, I can&#8217;t guarantee the sandwich, I&#8217;m certain it will do the first three very well.</p>
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