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		<title>By: cory</title>
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		<dc:creator>cory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 02:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it necessary to connect the transmitter box to a grounding electrode in my garage as the manual says to but also says its not necessary for it to function properly?

ADMIN - Hi Cory,

Some systems have an optional grounding electrode that is connected to a grounding rod to provide protection against lightning strikes (e.g. PetSafe SDF-100A).  They are not necessary for the unit to function properly.  If there is no grounding rod nearby, and you need lightning protection, you can alternatively use a Lightning Protection module that uses the ground from your house&#039;s electrical system by plugging into a standard three-prong outlet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it necessary to connect the transmitter box to a grounding electrode in my garage as the manual says to but also says its not necessary for it to function properly?</p>
<p>ADMIN &#8211; Hi Cory,</p>
<p>Some systems have an optional grounding electrode that is connected to a grounding rod to provide protection against lightning strikes (e.g. PetSafe SDF-100A).  They are not necessary for the unit to function properly.  If there is no grounding rod nearby, and you need lightning protection, you can alternatively use a Lightning Protection module that uses the ground from your house&#8217;s electrical system by plugging into a standard three-prong outlet.</p>
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		<title>By: Wylie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wylie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi. I&#039;ve had Invisible fences at two other homes so I&#039;m familiar with how to install and train. I have recently adopted a bull terrier who has decided it&#039;s fun to climb the four foot cedar post and wire fence.  My other two dogs are quite happy staying in the yard.  My question is, can I staple the wire to the existing fence, bury it at the gates and driveway and still have it work? I&#039;m worried I won&#039;t be able to bury it all along the existing fence line. The second question is which fence would you recommend for a dog breed that is crazy enough to climb fences in the first place? He&#039;s about 60lbs and my yard is a little under one acre. Thanks.

Sorry. Just found the mounting option for the wire.  Great. But I&#039;m still not sure about the fence selection.  I don&#039;t really like the collar for the SportDog model but think five levels of training may be necessary.  One more question...I have LED landscape light that has buried wire near where I would install the invisible fence.  Is this going to be a problem? How can I avoid it?

ADMIN - Hi Wylie,
If you believe you&#039;ll need the extra correction levels, the SportDog is a good choice. At 60 lbs, I don&#039;t think the size of the collar will be a hindrance.  Expect that any electrical wiring has the possibility of creating interference.  The best approach is to lay the wire completely out before burying it and test it.  This way you can make adjustments easily.  We recommend keeping a distance of 6 to 10 feet from any cables when running parallel to them.  When you need to cross over a cable, make sure you do that with a perpendicular angle to minimize the interaction between the two wires.  If you do receive interference there are only three solutions: 1) physically move the wire further away from the interfering cable, or 2) decrease the boundary width, or 3) both </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi. I&#8217;ve had Invisible fences at two other homes so I&#8217;m familiar with how to install and train. I have recently adopted a bull terrier who has decided it&#8217;s fun to climb the four foot cedar post and wire fence.  My other two dogs are quite happy staying in the yard.  My question is, can I staple the wire to the existing fence, bury it at the gates and driveway and still have it work? I&#8217;m worried I won&#8217;t be able to bury it all along the existing fence line. The second question is which fence would you recommend for a dog breed that is crazy enough to climb fences in the first place? He&#8217;s about 60lbs and my yard is a little under one acre. Thanks.</p>
<p>Sorry. Just found the mounting option for the wire.  Great. But I&#8217;m still not sure about the fence selection.  I don&#8217;t really like the collar for the SportDog model but think five levels of training may be necessary.  One more question&#8230;I have LED landscape light that has buried wire near where I would install the invisible fence.  Is this going to be a problem? How can I avoid it?</p>
<p>ADMIN &#8211; Hi Wylie,<br />
If you believe you&#8217;ll need the extra correction levels, the SportDog is a good choice. At 60 lbs, I don&#8217;t think the size of the collar will be a hindrance.  Expect that any electrical wiring has the possibility of creating interference.  The best approach is to lay the wire completely out before burying it and test it.  This way you can make adjustments easily.  We recommend keeping a distance of 6 to 10 feet from any cables when running parallel to them.  When you need to cross over a cable, make sure you do that with a perpendicular angle to minimize the interaction between the two wires.  If you do receive interference there are only three solutions: 1) physically move the wire further away from the interfering cable, or 2) decrease the boundary width, or 3) both</p>
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		<title>By: Joanna Grant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joanna Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your website is extremely helpful.  I moved into a house that had a pet fence around the yard AND the neighbors yard.  The neighbor separated the two (their home housed the controls).  I need to activate a fence for my dog.  I was given a Pet STOP control, adaptor and collar from my sister when she moved.   It appears to take three wires.   What are these three wires for?  I&#039;d like to be able to use the unit.  Thanks for your help!!!

ADMIN - Hi Joanna,
Two wire terminals are for your loop.  You plug in the wire in one terminal and it comes back and plugs into the second terminal.  The 3rd terminal on the transmitter is most likely your grounding terminal.  I&#039;d recommend contacting the manufacture to be certain.  We do not work with Pet Stop products.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your website is extremely helpful.  I moved into a house that had a pet fence around the yard AND the neighbors yard.  The neighbor separated the two (their home housed the controls).  I need to activate a fence for my dog.  I was given a Pet STOP control, adaptor and collar from my sister when she moved.   It appears to take three wires.   What are these three wires for?  I&#8217;d like to be able to use the unit.  Thanks for your help!!!</p>
<p>ADMIN &#8211; Hi Joanna,<br />
Two wire terminals are for your loop.  You plug in the wire in one terminal and it comes back and plugs into the second terminal.  The 3rd terminal on the transmitter is most likely your grounding terminal.  I&#8217;d recommend contacting the manufacture to be certain.  We do not work with Pet Stop products.</p>
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		<title>By: KF</title>
		<link>http://www.dogfencediy.com/installation/mounting-box/comment-page-1/#comment-12654</link>
		<dc:creator>KF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 15:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We moved into a new home with an Invisible Fence.  We had them out to check the system and they repaired a break in the wire but otherwise it&#039;s fine. We need to buy a transmitter and collar which are very expensive.   If you buy a transmitter and collar here, is there a way to sync the transmitter and collar to the existing wire?  Invisible Fence also comes out for &quot;training.&quot; Is it worth it?  Thanks.

ADMIN - Hi Katie,

The wire installed at your house will work with any in-ground wired dog fence you purchase.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We moved into a new home with an Invisible Fence.  We had them out to check the system and they repaired a break in the wire but otherwise it&#8217;s fine. We need to buy a transmitter and collar which are very expensive.   If you buy a transmitter and collar here, is there a way to sync the transmitter and collar to the existing wire?  Invisible Fence also comes out for &#8220;training.&#8221; Is it worth it?  Thanks.</p>
<p>ADMIN &#8211; Hi Katie,</p>
<p>The wire installed at your house will work with any in-ground wired dog fence you purchase.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://www.dogfencediy.com/installation/mounting-box/comment-page-1/#comment-11391</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 13:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My home is out in the country and there is a fence all the way around my 4 acre lot. I have two driveways about 300 feet apart. How can I install a dog fence just for the driveways?

ADMIN - Hi Brian,

Two options:

1) You could bypass installing a fence by placing Outdoor Rock zones at the driveways keeping your dogs from leaving there.  We advice bundling in the Innotek 4100 collar and charger (separate item) with this option.  Here is the link to the Outdoor Rock: http://dogfencediy.com/store/accessories/indoor-zones/pawz-away.html 

2) The second option is to install a dog fence.  You install the wall transmitter in your garage.  You&#039;d run twisted wire from the transmitter out to one driveway where the twisted wire connects to a long narrow loop that covers the driveway opening.  Then you&#039;d connect another section of twisted wire to the loop and run it down the other driveway where it would connect to another long narrow loop that covers the driveway.  This layout is exactly like the single-sided layout illustrated here (http://www.dogfencediy.com/installation/plan/#singleside)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My home is out in the country and there is a fence all the way around my 4 acre lot. I have two driveways about 300 feet apart. How can I install a dog fence just for the driveways?</p>
<p>ADMIN &#8211; Hi Brian,</p>
<p>Two options:</p>
<p>1) You could bypass installing a fence by placing Outdoor Rock zones at the driveways keeping your dogs from leaving there.  We advice bundling in the Innotek 4100 collar and charger (separate item) with this option.  Here is the link to the Outdoor Rock: <a href="http://dogfencediy.com/store/accessories/indoor-zones/pawz-away.html">http://dogfencediy.com/store/accessories/indoor-zones/pawz-away.html</a> </p>
<p>2) The second option is to install a dog fence.  You install the wall transmitter in your garage.  You&#8217;d run twisted wire from the transmitter out to one driveway where the twisted wire connects to a long narrow loop that covers the driveway opening.  Then you&#8217;d connect another section of twisted wire to the loop and run it down the other driveway where it would connect to another long narrow loop that covers the driveway.  This layout is exactly like the single-sided layout illustrated here (<a href="http://www.dogfencediy.com/installation/plan/#singleside">http://www.dogfencediy.com/installation/plan/#singleside</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Sep 2011 03:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will the unit itself give off a signal that will effect the dog collar? For example if I mount the unit near my basement door will the dog be able to use that door or will the small section from the unit to the twisted wire (approx 6&quot;) emit enough signal to trigger the collar?

ADMIN - Hi Steve,

Sometimes the transmitter will &#039;leak&#039; a bit of the signal and cause any collar in the immediate vicinity to trigger.  The range is limited (1-2 feet).  For this reason you should keep the transmitter away from areas you want the dog to have access to.  I would keep the transmitter away from the basement door that you want the dog to be able to use.  Moving it a few feet to the side or up high should do the trick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will the unit itself give off a signal that will effect the dog collar? For example if I mount the unit near my basement door will the dog be able to use that door or will the small section from the unit to the twisted wire (approx 6&#8243;) emit enough signal to trigger the collar?</p>
<p>ADMIN &#8211; Hi Steve,</p>
<p>Sometimes the transmitter will &#8216;leak&#8217; a bit of the signal and cause any collar in the immediate vicinity to trigger.  The range is limited (1-2 feet).  For this reason you should keep the transmitter away from areas you want the dog to have access to.  I would keep the transmitter away from the basement door that you want the dog to be able to use.  Moving it a few feet to the side or up high should do the trick.</p>
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		<title>By: thanh nguyen</title>
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		<dc:creator>thanh nguyen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 03:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,my dog is 25 pounds.mixed bred.  I&#039;m about to order the innotek 5100 over 4100 because it has lightning protection and remote control can I use the remote control to train him to sit,stop running away when he get outside the invisible fence boundary?  How long can received the package if I order today wed 8-31-11 before 1:00pm?

ADMIN - Hi Thanh,

You can use the remote control on the Innotek IUC-5100 both inside and outside the fence boundary.  The remote is completely independent of the fence.

If you order before 1pm EST on a business day, it goes out the same day and you will typically get it in 2-3 business days depending on where you live.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,my dog is 25 pounds.mixed bred.  I&#8217;m about to order the innotek 5100 over 4100 because it has lightning protection and remote control can I use the remote control to train him to sit,stop running away when he get outside the invisible fence boundary?  How long can received the package if I order today wed 8-31-11 before 1:00pm?</p>
<p>ADMIN &#8211; Hi Thanh,</p>
<p>You can use the remote control on the Innotek IUC-5100 both inside and outside the fence boundary.  The remote is completely independent of the fence.</p>
<p>If you order before 1pm EST on a business day, it goes out the same day and you will typically get it in 2-3 business days depending on where you live.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.dogfencediy.com/installation/mounting-box/comment-page-1/#comment-7933</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2011 03:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a question about the Petsafe. it keeps going off when I&#039;m in the center of my yard and i just hooked it up. it&#039;s probably 50-75 ft in the center and when i turn it down it does it about 5-10 ft. is this because it&#039;s a bad product is there any out there that will let them get about 5 ft. away before the shock?

ADMIN - Hi Andrew,

If you are getting the fence signal blanketing the entire yard, even when you turn down the boundary width dial - most likely the fence is set to &quot;large area&quot; when it needs to be set to &quot;small area&quot;.  This is done in different ways on different systems.  On most PetSafe systems there is a switch on the side of the control box.

If that does not fix the problem, most likely transmitter is defective and should be exchanged for a new one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a question about the Petsafe. it keeps going off when I&#8217;m in the center of my yard and i just hooked it up. it&#8217;s probably 50-75 ft in the center and when i turn it down it does it about 5-10 ft. is this because it&#8217;s a bad product is there any out there that will let them get about 5 ft. away before the shock?</p>
<p>ADMIN &#8211; Hi Andrew,</p>
<p>If you are getting the fence signal blanketing the entire yard, even when you turn down the boundary width dial &#8211; most likely the fence is set to &#8220;large area&#8221; when it needs to be set to &#8220;small area&#8221;.  This is done in different ways on different systems.  On most PetSafe systems there is a switch on the side of the control box.</p>
<p>If that does not fix the problem, most likely transmitter is defective and should be exchanged for a new one.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.dogfencediy.com/installation/mounting-box/comment-page-1/#comment-7549</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 19:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, off, you&#039;ve created an excellent site with a wealth of information, thanks! This will most likely cause me to end up purchasing a system from you once I finish my research. I have 2 questions though which haven&#039;t been addressed in any of the comments or pages.

One person touched on the basement mounting issue in the comments, but I haven&#039;t seen any detailed information about transmitter barriers, like wall thicknesses and material concerns when mounting inside. I&#039;m planning on mounting mine inside a basement and I have 6 inch thick concrete on all sides topped by TJI supports and a main steel I-beam down the center. Not to mention sheetrock, insulation and an aluminum drop ceiling. Will any of these things get in the way of the signal and if so how much with the transmitter&#039;s range be decreased?

Second issue is low voltage lines such as phone/cable/network and most importantly, our home alarm system. Should I avoid mounting the transmitter near these wires/jacks and if so how far? Could it interfere with window and door contacts too?

ADMIN - Hi Rob,

Thanks for the kind words.

(1)  If you are installing a wired system, the control box can happily sit in the basement.

If you are looking at a wireless system, basements don&#039;t work well because the ground blocks the signal.  You need to install the control box a few feet above ground level.  It also needs to be kept as far as possible from large metal objects like sheet metal or boilers.

(2) You want to avoid running the dog fence wire parallel to any other wiring or metal for long stretched.  If you do run the wire parallel, you want to try and keep six feet of separation.  With these long parallel runs, the dog fence signal can sometimes get induced in the other wiring.  These are not commandments, you can break them both if you need to, just use the collars to check to make sure you don&#039;t get the dog fence signal induced in unwanted places where the wiring runs. 

Also note, this does not apply for the twisted wire.  You will most likely be running the twisted wire out of your basement to the start of the boundary loop.  The twisted wire does not have the above restrictions and can be run close and parallel to metal and other wiring.

The transmitter does not have these restrictions.  You can mount it pretty much anywhere.  Out of an abundance of caution we like to mount it 3+ feet away from other electrical devices, but there is no good reason for this little superstition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, off, you&#8217;ve created an excellent site with a wealth of information, thanks! This will most likely cause me to end up purchasing a system from you once I finish my research. I have 2 questions though which haven&#8217;t been addressed in any of the comments or pages.</p>
<p>One person touched on the basement mounting issue in the comments, but I haven&#8217;t seen any detailed information about transmitter barriers, like wall thicknesses and material concerns when mounting inside. I&#8217;m planning on mounting mine inside a basement and I have 6 inch thick concrete on all sides topped by TJI supports and a main steel I-beam down the center. Not to mention sheetrock, insulation and an aluminum drop ceiling. Will any of these things get in the way of the signal and if so how much with the transmitter&#8217;s range be decreased?</p>
<p>Second issue is low voltage lines such as phone/cable/network and most importantly, our home alarm system. Should I avoid mounting the transmitter near these wires/jacks and if so how far? Could it interfere with window and door contacts too?</p>
<p>ADMIN &#8211; Hi Rob,</p>
<p>Thanks for the kind words.</p>
<p>(1)  If you are installing a wired system, the control box can happily sit in the basement.</p>
<p>If you are looking at a wireless system, basements don&#8217;t work well because the ground blocks the signal.  You need to install the control box a few feet above ground level.  It also needs to be kept as far as possible from large metal objects like sheet metal or boilers.</p>
<p>(2) You want to avoid running the dog fence wire parallel to any other wiring or metal for long stretched.  If you do run the wire parallel, you want to try and keep six feet of separation.  With these long parallel runs, the dog fence signal can sometimes get induced in the other wiring.  These are not commandments, you can break them both if you need to, just use the collars to check to make sure you don&#8217;t get the dog fence signal induced in unwanted places where the wiring runs. </p>
<p>Also note, this does not apply for the twisted wire.  You will most likely be running the twisted wire out of your basement to the start of the boundary loop.  The twisted wire does not have the above restrictions and can be run close and parallel to metal and other wiring.</p>
<p>The transmitter does not have these restrictions.  You can mount it pretty much anywhere.  Out of an abundance of caution we like to mount it 3+ feet away from other electrical devices, but there is no good reason for this little superstition.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 May 2011 19:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am looking at the Innotek products.  In reading a review of the lightning protection module available with the IUC-5100, and separately for other units, I read a couple comments about the use of GFI circuits.  Could you confirm whether the use of a GFI circuit is permissible/advisable?  Does it make a difference whether one uses a lightning protection module or not?  Many thanks for your very informative site.

ADMIN - Hi Brett,

GFI (ground fault interrupter) or GFCI (ground fault circuit interrupter) is a safety device that cuts off power when it detects odd surges in current.  Whether you use a GFI outlet will not make a difference.  A GFI will not replace the lightning protection.

There seem to be some forum posts that suggest that a GFI may cause problems when the dog gets the correction, because it would cause a surge in power through the system that might accidentally trip the GFI.  This is incorrect.  The shock from a dog fence comes from the dog&#039;s collar not the fence that is plugged into the power outlet.  The correction would not cause any kind of electrical surge. 

So the GFI won&#039;t hurt. But, it also won&#039;t help save the dog fence control box if there is a lightning strike on the dog fence wire.  When lightning strikes the dog fence boundary wire, the current surges through the wire and toward the control box, frying the control box before the GFI has the chance to help.  The GFI only helps the dog fence control box when there are surges in the power line in your house, it doesn&#039;t help when there are surges in the boundary wire.  (Power strips with surge protectors also don&#039;t help, for the same reason).

THE GFI would help save other appliances if lightning struck the boundary wire.  When the current surge went up through the dog fence control box and entered your house&#039;s electrical system, then the GFI would shut everything down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am looking at the Innotek products.  In reading a review of the lightning protection module available with the IUC-5100, and separately for other units, I read a couple comments about the use of GFI circuits.  Could you confirm whether the use of a GFI circuit is permissible/advisable?  Does it make a difference whether one uses a lightning protection module or not?  Many thanks for your very informative site.</p>
<p>ADMIN &#8211; Hi Brett,</p>
<p>GFI (ground fault interrupter) or GFCI (ground fault circuit interrupter) is a safety device that cuts off power when it detects odd surges in current.  Whether you use a GFI outlet will not make a difference.  A GFI will not replace the lightning protection.</p>
<p>There seem to be some forum posts that suggest that a GFI may cause problems when the dog gets the correction, because it would cause a surge in power through the system that might accidentally trip the GFI.  This is incorrect.  The shock from a dog fence comes from the dog&#8217;s collar not the fence that is plugged into the power outlet.  The correction would not cause any kind of electrical surge. </p>
<p>So the GFI won&#8217;t hurt. But, it also won&#8217;t help save the dog fence control box if there is a lightning strike on the dog fence wire.  When lightning strikes the dog fence boundary wire, the current surges through the wire and toward the control box, frying the control box before the GFI has the chance to help.  The GFI only helps the dog fence control box when there are surges in the power line in your house, it doesn&#8217;t help when there are surges in the boundary wire.  (Power strips with surge protectors also don&#8217;t help, for the same reason).</p>
<p>THE GFI would help save other appliances if lightning struck the boundary wire.  When the current surge went up through the dog fence control box and entered your house&#8217;s electrical system, then the GFI would shut everything down.</p>
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