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		<title>By: Heather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 05:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I have a 1 year old lab that is about 105 lbs, &amp; a 4 year old frenchie that is about 27 lbs. What would be the best system to work for both of them. I can fence anywhere from 1 to 12 acres for them.  Is there a system that doesn&#039;t have to be buried? We have red clay here and it is terrible to dig or trench in, and I wasn&#039;t sure if the wireless system would be sufficient for a 100+ lb dog because we have a 10X10X10 chain link kennel now that the lab gets out of by crawling out or digging, he has even popped the chainlink of the poles, and he is to large to continue to keep in the house...HELP...lol  thanks, Heather

ADMIN - Hi Heather,

The PetSafe Systems are good where there is a big dog and a small dog on the same system, because they have different sized collars that you can fit to suit each dog.  I would recommend a PetSafe Stubborn dog system and using the included collar for the Labrador.  I would use an extra PetSafe Deluxe collar for the French Poodle.  These systems have a wire boundary.  The wire does not have to be buried per se, just laid out across along the boundary line and stapled down.  However if you are running the wire along a mowed area, burial is highly recommended.  For un-mowed areas like woods, you do not need to bury the wire.

You could also use a wireless system like the Havahart Radial.  It will not require any wire, but the performance will not be as good as a wired system.  The boundaries will move around a few feet minute to minute making training more difficult.  They also have trouble working in some homes, particularly where there is sheet metal or lots of trees on the property.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I have a 1 year old lab that is about 105 lbs, &amp; a 4 year old frenchie that is about 27 lbs. What would be the best system to work for both of them. I can fence anywhere from 1 to 12 acres for them.  Is there a system that doesn&#8217;t have to be buried? We have red clay here and it is terrible to dig or trench in, and I wasn&#8217;t sure if the wireless system would be sufficient for a 100+ lb dog because we have a 10X10X10 chain link kennel now that the lab gets out of by crawling out or digging, he has even popped the chainlink of the poles, and he is to large to continue to keep in the house&#8230;HELP&#8230;lol  thanks, Heather</p>
<p>ADMIN &#8211; Hi Heather,</p>
<p>The PetSafe Systems are good where there is a big dog and a small dog on the same system, because they have different sized collars that you can fit to suit each dog.  I would recommend a PetSafe Stubborn dog system and using the included collar for the Labrador.  I would use an extra PetSafe Deluxe collar for the French Poodle.  These systems have a wire boundary.  The wire does not have to be buried per se, just laid out across along the boundary line and stapled down.  However if you are running the wire along a mowed area, burial is highly recommended.  For un-mowed areas like woods, you do not need to bury the wire.</p>
<p>You could also use a wireless system like the Havahart Radial.  It will not require any wire, but the performance will not be as good as a wired system.  The boundaries will move around a few feet minute to minute making training more difficult.  They also have trouble working in some homes, particularly where there is sheet metal or lots of trees on the property.</p>
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		<title>By: Edilbacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edilbacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 14:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How deep/shallow do you have to lay the wire underground?

ADMIN - Hi Edmund,

There is no minimum burial width, however if you are going to mow the area you want the wire to be at least an inch below ground to avoid it being accidently hit by the mower.  The maximum burial width is about one foot (more for sandy soils, less for heavy clays)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How deep/shallow do you have to lay the wire underground?</p>
<p>ADMIN &#8211; Hi Edmund,</p>
<p>There is no minimum burial width, however if you are going to mow the area you want the wire to be at least an inch below ground to avoid it being accidently hit by the mower.  The maximum burial width is about one foot (more for sandy soils, less for heavy clays)</p>
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		<title>By: Doug and Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug and Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 18:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Great site! I have a 6-acre area that is surrounded by trees and brush and is not flat. I have 4 Olde English Bulldogges (large version over 100 lbs.) and they are quite stubborn dogs, LOL. I need a &quot;wired&quot; system that is durable (we have lots of Moles, groundhogs, etc, and rough terrain) yet affordable. I need approximately 2000 ft. of wire and 4 collars. If I upgrade to a twisted, heavy-gauge wire, will I need to upgrade other components? I&#039;ve seen 14 thru 22 gauge wire and didnt know if the resistance would diminish with the 2000 ft. distance without raising the volts/amps of the power supply and wire gauge? Also, is there any system that offers price breaks on multiple collars or are there aftermarket versions compatible with good systems such as the &quot;Innotek&quot; that may be affordable yet effective? Much thanks in advance to any help you may offer. Sincerely, Doug and Jen May

ADMIN - Hi Doug &amp; Jen,

The thinner gauge wires do have higher resistance which results in lower range than the thicker gauges.  But, for 2,000 feet you should not have a problem with the standard 20 gauge.

Generally mixing different gauges is not a good idea, because the areas with a thicker gauge end up with different boundary widths than the areas with the thinner gauge.  But, with the twisted wire since there is no boundary this is a non-issue - so you can freely mix one gauge twisted wire with a different gauge single boundary wire.

The PetSafe Stubborn is a good system at a good price.  The main drawback is that the collar are bigger than most, but that is not going to be an issue with your dogs.  The Stubborn also has a higher correction level than other systems that can come in useful with particularly truculent OEB&#039;s.  The extra collars on the Stubborn are also much cheaper than those on other systems like the Innoteks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Great site! I have a 6-acre area that is surrounded by trees and brush and is not flat. I have 4 Olde English Bulldogges (large version over 100 lbs.) and they are quite stubborn dogs, LOL. I need a &#8220;wired&#8221; system that is durable (we have lots of Moles, groundhogs, etc, and rough terrain) yet affordable. I need approximately 2000 ft. of wire and 4 collars. If I upgrade to a twisted, heavy-gauge wire, will I need to upgrade other components? I&#8217;ve seen 14 thru 22 gauge wire and didnt know if the resistance would diminish with the 2000 ft. distance without raising the volts/amps of the power supply and wire gauge? Also, is there any system that offers price breaks on multiple collars or are there aftermarket versions compatible with good systems such as the &#8220;Innotek&#8221; that may be affordable yet effective? Much thanks in advance to any help you may offer. Sincerely, Doug and Jen May</p>
<p>ADMIN &#8211; Hi Doug &#038; Jen,</p>
<p>The thinner gauge wires do have higher resistance which results in lower range than the thicker gauges.  But, for 2,000 feet you should not have a problem with the standard 20 gauge.</p>
<p>Generally mixing different gauges is not a good idea, because the areas with a thicker gauge end up with different boundary widths than the areas with the thinner gauge.  But, with the twisted wire since there is no boundary this is a non-issue &#8211; so you can freely mix one gauge twisted wire with a different gauge single boundary wire.</p>
<p>The PetSafe Stubborn is a good system at a good price.  The main drawback is that the collar are bigger than most, but that is not going to be an issue with your dogs.  The Stubborn also has a higher correction level than other systems that can come in useful with particularly truculent OEB&#8217;s.  The extra collars on the Stubborn are also much cheaper than those on other systems like the Innoteks.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregg Hunt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregg Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 03:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My 2 year old pit and new mix great Pyrenees pup are digging out and I work away from home alot. I would like to just hook it to my fence, about 6 inches high or so. I live in the country and my wife lets the dogs in at night I just need to keep them up during the day, because if they get around the calves the farmer will shoot them.

ADMIN - Hi Gregg,

Fence mounting the wire on chain link works well.  As you mention placing the wire a few inches above the ground is a good practice because it keeps the wire away from weed-eaters.  With those two guardian dogs,  a stronger correction collar may be needed.  I would use something like the PetSafe Stubborn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My 2 year old pit and new mix great Pyrenees pup are digging out and I work away from home alot. I would like to just hook it to my fence, about 6 inches high or so. I live in the country and my wife lets the dogs in at night I just need to keep them up during the day, because if they get around the calves the farmer will shoot them.</p>
<p>ADMIN &#8211; Hi Gregg,</p>
<p>Fence mounting the wire on chain link works well.  As you mention placing the wire a few inches above the ground is a good practice because it keeps the wire away from weed-eaters.  With those two guardian dogs,  a stronger correction collar may be needed.  I would use something like the PetSafe Stubborn.</p>
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		<title>By: Mac Chandler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mac Chandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2012 06:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love your website. One of the best I have ever seen. Very useful information in a very user friendly format. Thanks for making it available.  Our home is located in the center of a 1.8 acre triangle shaped lot. We have one 30 pound short haired dog with very long legs. It can run incredibly fast &amp; loves to chase squirrels, rabbits, birds, off our property.
1. What under ground system do you recommend for us?
2. What gauge wire do you recommend?
3. How much wire will we need?

ADMIN - Hi Mac,

1.  A good system would be the Innotek IUC-4100.  It is a good responsive system which helps for dogs with a high prey drive, and the collar is small enough that it would not be a bother on a 30lb dog.  There are a few other nice features, like the rechargeable collar, and the collar-fit test. 

2.  For a 1.8 acre lot, I would use the standard 20 gauge wire.  The marginal benefit from using the thicker wire for a 1.8 acres installation is small.

3.  A good rule of thumb is that 1500 feet of wire will enclose about 2 acres.  For a high energy dog, I would want at least five feet on either side of the wire, at least for the training.  You are lucky to have a nice big yard, so you can make the boundary nice and wide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love your website. One of the best I have ever seen. Very useful information in a very user friendly format. Thanks for making it available.  Our home is located in the center of a 1.8 acre triangle shaped lot. We have one 30 pound short haired dog with very long legs. It can run incredibly fast &#038; loves to chase squirrels, rabbits, birds, off our property.<br />
1. What under ground system do you recommend for us?<br />
2. What gauge wire do you recommend?<br />
3. How much wire will we need?</p>
<p>ADMIN &#8211; Hi Mac,</p>
<p>1.  A good system would be the Innotek IUC-4100.  It is a good responsive system which helps for dogs with a high prey drive, and the collar is small enough that it would not be a bother on a 30lb dog.  There are a few other nice features, like the rechargeable collar, and the collar-fit test. </p>
<p>2.  For a 1.8 acre lot, I would use the standard 20 gauge wire.  The marginal benefit from using the thicker wire for a 1.8 acres installation is small.</p>
<p>3.  A good rule of thumb is that 1500 feet of wire will enclose about 2 acres.  For a high energy dog, I would want at least five feet on either side of the wire, at least for the training.  You are lucky to have a nice big yard, so you can make the boundary nice and wide.</p>
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		<title>By: Lea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2012 04:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to install either a wireless or in ground pet fence system. I have 4 acres with a pond that the dogs love to swim in. What is the best system to protect my three Rottweiler&#039;s from going to the road, and a system that will allow them in the water without damaging the collar. I have a remote shock collar (pet safe) with a level up to ten. The level ten doesn&#039;t phase them they just turn their head a little bit and  keep on going. Two of the dogs weigh around 75 pounds the other is 150 pounds. If you can give me any suggestions I would deeply appreciate it . Thank You...

ADMIN  Hi Lea,

For a high powered system that is waterproof, the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dogfencediy.com/reviews/petsafe-large-dog/&quot;&gt;PetSafe Stubborn Fence&lt;/a&gt; would be a good choice.  The PetSafe has collars that can handle full immersion for when the dogs swim.  And the PetSafe Stubborn has higher correction levels than other systems which will be useful with a dogs that need a bit more power to get their attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to install either a wireless or in ground pet fence system. I have 4 acres with a pond that the dogs love to swim in. What is the best system to protect my three Rottweiler&#8217;s from going to the road, and a system that will allow them in the water without damaging the collar. I have a remote shock collar (pet safe) with a level up to ten. The level ten doesn&#8217;t phase them they just turn their head a little bit and  keep on going. Two of the dogs weigh around 75 pounds the other is 150 pounds. If you can give me any suggestions I would deeply appreciate it . Thank You&#8230;</p>
<p>ADMIN  Hi Lea,</p>
<p>For a high powered system that is waterproof, the <a href="http://www.dogfencediy.com/reviews/petsafe-large-dog/">PetSafe Stubborn Fence</a> would be a good choice.  The PetSafe has collars that can handle full immersion for when the dogs swim.  And the PetSafe Stubborn has higher correction levels than other systems which will be useful with a dogs that need a bit more power to get their attention.</p>
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		<title>By: Trenching when wet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trenching when wet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 17:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, I was wondering if it is possible to use a cable install/trencher when the ground outside is still somewhat wet (no puddling)? I don&#039;t know if that would impact the way the machine making my renting of it a wast of money, or is I should wait a month or more until the ground dries up. It is winter now and the ground just doesn&#039;t seem to be getting any better and I have a German Shepherd Puppy that I need to get trained. Also, will a different petsafe collar work on the petsafe deluxe little dog system? I figure I&#039;ll need a bigger collar for my German Shepherd compared to my two Pomeranians and don&#039;t want to have to install a whole new system in the yard. Thank You

ADMIN - Hi Trenching When Wet,

If the ground is wet, particularly clay soils it gets very sticky and tends to clog up the trencher making progress tough going.  For sandy soils, the wet is not a big deal and you can trench away.  In winter, lots of our customers simply staple the wire to the ground and start training the dog.  Then, when the weather gets better they do the permanent below ground installation.

The PetSafe Deluxe system can use the collars from the PetSafe Stubborn, PetSafe Little Dog, and the SportDog SDF-100A.  For the German Shepherd, a PetSafe Stubborn collar would be your best bet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, I was wondering if it is possible to use a cable install/trencher when the ground outside is still somewhat wet (no puddling)? I don&#8217;t know if that would impact the way the machine making my renting of it a wast of money, or is I should wait a month or more until the ground dries up. It is winter now and the ground just doesn&#8217;t seem to be getting any better and I have a German Shepherd Puppy that I need to get trained. Also, will a different petsafe collar work on the petsafe deluxe little dog system? I figure I&#8217;ll need a bigger collar for my German Shepherd compared to my two Pomeranians and don&#8217;t want to have to install a whole new system in the yard. Thank You</p>
<p>ADMIN &#8211; Hi Trenching When Wet,</p>
<p>If the ground is wet, particularly clay soils it gets very sticky and tends to clog up the trencher making progress tough going.  For sandy soils, the wet is not a big deal and you can trench away.  In winter, lots of our customers simply staple the wire to the ground and start training the dog.  Then, when the weather gets better they do the permanent below ground installation.</p>
<p>The PetSafe Deluxe system can use the collars from the PetSafe Stubborn, PetSafe Little Dog, and the SportDog SDF-100A.  For the German Shepherd, a PetSafe Stubborn collar would be your best bet.</p>
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		<title>By: Heidi Chappell</title>
		<link>http://www.dogfencediy.com/installation/burying-the-wire/trencher/comment-page-1/#comment-15985</link>
		<dc:creator>Heidi Chappell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m looking at renting a trencher or edger to lay the wire around our 3 acres.  I&#039;m new to the area down south here, and half our property is wooded.  The summer months everyone said stay clear of woods with snakes... so I&#039;m thinking now is the perfect time, before it freezes.  But do you have to literally clear the path of all debris to run this.  Sorry if this is stupid obvious question, it&#039;s just a lot of woods, and that&#039;ll be the bigger task than trenching.  Or is there a different method you&#039;d recommend?  I guess i need to put the boots on and walk it to see how bad it is.

ADMIN - Hi Heidi,

With the wooded area we don&#039;t usually bury the wire.  Since the area is not mowed, we usually just staple the wire to the ground.  Over time, the wire tends to bury itself as leaves fall down and cover the wire.  Burying the wire is very difficult in wooded areas, because the tree roots make it close to impossible to trench.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m looking at renting a trencher or edger to lay the wire around our 3 acres.  I&#8217;m new to the area down south here, and half our property is wooded.  The summer months everyone said stay clear of woods with snakes&#8230; so I&#8217;m thinking now is the perfect time, before it freezes.  But do you have to literally clear the path of all debris to run this.  Sorry if this is stupid obvious question, it&#8217;s just a lot of woods, and that&#8217;ll be the bigger task than trenching.  Or is there a different method you&#8217;d recommend?  I guess i need to put the boots on and walk it to see how bad it is.</p>
<p>ADMIN &#8211; Hi Heidi,</p>
<p>With the wooded area we don&#8217;t usually bury the wire.  Since the area is not mowed, we usually just staple the wire to the ground.  Over time, the wire tends to bury itself as leaves fall down and cover the wire.  Burying the wire is very difficult in wooded areas, because the tree roots make it close to impossible to trench.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Woods</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawn Woods</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2011 19:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Charlie,

We have a pet stop fence and it has stopped working.  I had a company come out to look at it and they said the wire was cut or knocked in quite a few places and recommended replacing all the wire as the collar and main control are still good.  If I chose to do this myself what type of wire should I use?

Thanks

ADMIN - Hi Charlie,

You want to replace the wire with direct burial wire rated at least 600 volts.  We sell 20 gauge all the way down to 14 gauge.  14 gauge offers you the lowest risk against breaks and the widest boundary radius.

Our wire&#039;s insulation is made of a high density polyethylene jacket which keeps it from deteriorating in the ground over a long period of time.

Other than that, both stranded or solid copper insulated will do the job great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Charlie,</p>
<p>We have a pet stop fence and it has stopped working.  I had a company come out to look at it and they said the wire was cut or knocked in quite a few places and recommended replacing all the wire as the collar and main control are still good.  If I chose to do this myself what type of wire should I use?</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>ADMIN &#8211; Hi Charlie,</p>
<p>You want to replace the wire with direct burial wire rated at least 600 volts.  We sell 20 gauge all the way down to 14 gauge.  14 gauge offers you the lowest risk against breaks and the widest boundary radius.</p>
<p>Our wire&#8217;s insulation is made of a high density polyethylene jacket which keeps it from deteriorating in the ground over a long period of time.</p>
<p>Other than that, both stranded or solid copper insulated will do the job great.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.dogfencediy.com/installation/burying-the-wire/trencher/comment-page-1/#comment-10820</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Sep 2011 18:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can you find a break in the wire once its been in the ground awhile? I think I have laid so much wire in my yard that it might be worth strip mining.  Greg

ADMIN - Hi Greg,

Finding old wire should not be any different.  Take a look at our Installation page on &quot;Find a Wire Break.&quot;  Only the wire that is currently plugged into the transmitter will be detected.  It does not matter if you have a lot of old wire in the ground.  Nor does it matter if the wire you are hunting is old.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can you find a break in the wire once its been in the ground awhile? I think I have laid so much wire in my yard that it might be worth strip mining.  Greg</p>
<p>ADMIN &#8211; Hi Greg,</p>
<p>Finding old wire should not be any different.  Take a look at our Installation page on &#8220;Find a Wire Break.&#8221;  Only the wire that is currently plugged into the transmitter will be detected.  It does not matter if you have a lot of old wire in the ground.  Nor does it matter if the wire you are hunting is old.</p>
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