Conduit Boundary Wire Questions – German Shepherd

by Gajan Retnasaba on February 6, 2010

My home is in the corner of 4 cleared acres with 3 of that in pasture. The other acre or so is backyard and pond. We have 20 acres total. I was looking at a wireless dog fence unit  just to keep them in the yard, but really want the dogs (shepherds) to be able to get to the pond in the summer which is more than 90′, but not into the woods to chase deer / ground squirrels and generally wonder off. They are not aggressive but we don’t get many strangers and they let us know when someone approaches the house. After reading others questions, it may be that a wired unit and no-dig installation would be more practical. Can the wire be ran through buried conduit where the horses cross? Elsewhere, I would run it under split rail fencing and at the edge of the woods. I read the review on the wifi unit and thought that may be the ticket but we do have a metal roof. Also, how hard is it to find a break in the wire? If stapled in the ground, would you have to run your hand along the whole length to find the break?

Jim

Hi Jim,

Wired units are always preferable to wireless, especially on large properties like yours.  It is more effort up front, but you will definitely be glad you did.  Laying the wire on the ground is fine, just as long as these are areas that are not mowed.    You can go through conduit.  Many people use PVC or an old garden hose.

You can use a radio and an RF choke to find boundary wire breaks.  It is easier than doing it by hand, but is slow going — you need to walk along the whole perimeter with a radio to find the spot where the signal stops.

Stewart Aldous

stu@dogfencediy.com

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Tim Goodman August 23, 2014 at 2:22 pm

Hi, we have our large back property enclosed with wire. Something like a large square being 300′ on a side. The wire is buried and everything works fine. But, I need to make a pass through area on the furthest side of the square yard. Since my wire makes one large loop around each side of the square, how is it possible to use a twisted double wire. This would mean bringing the single wire from one side back 300 feet to where the pass through would be, twist the wire together, then run the single wire 300′ back to the other side to continue the perimeter loop. This adds 600′ feet of costly wire. Can I take the wire running out and turn it back on itself for the length of the needed opening, then turn it back in the original direction. This would leave a pass through consisting of one continuous wire folded into three sections. These three wires would then be twisted together to form the pass through. If not, would copper pipe shield a section of wire? I understand twisting two wires together to create a dead zone, but there is no way to do this at the back of the property in the middle of the 1200′ loop. Suggestions? Thank you!

ADMIN – Hi Tim, tripling the wire unfortunately does not work. Two wires will cancel and the third will broadcast the signal. Conduit will not block the signal either. With some models, like the PetSafe YardMax, you drive two 8 foot copper grounding rods into the ground, cut out the wire in-between them to create an opening. Otherwise, the only available solution is to run a double loop as you mentioned which will mean adding lots of wire.

Bob Vance October 21, 2012 at 12:37 pm

I have installed 3 underground dog Fences. The first was mine 5 acres was 6 years ago no problem. The second my daughters was 3 acres, works fine. The first one I did, mine, quit working, beeping like a wire break. I tried to find the break with the radio and RF but I could not. I bought new wire and re-did the entire boundary and I bought a new transmitter. The system works only if you are right up on the wire and sometimes not even then. I thought maybe the wire was too deep but even where the wire is visible, it still wont pick up until you are within inches of the wire if at all. Yes I have done a loop test. Yes the boundary width is set to 10. Yes We have new collars with fresh batteries. I even borrowed my daughters transmitter and had the same result. I then took our collars to her house and they work fine with her system. Would the old wire from the first install cancel out any signal from the new wire. I am at a loss here, wits end. I have even considered re-doing the wire on top of the ground to try to get it to work. Old wire was 20G black coating the new is the yellow 20g. Any suggestions would be helpful. And Thanks in advance Bob”Frustrated”Vance

ADMIN – Hi Bob, this is a very odd situation. We’ve had customers abandon old wire without having issues. I do not believe it’s the old wire. Can you take your transmitter, collars, and wire to another property and see if you can get the system to work?

Chad October 28, 2011 at 7:59 pm

I have 2 english bulldogs and I have narrow areas on the side of my house between me and the neighbors house. I am looking to do a in groung fence but I want to have space for them to go on the side of the house. I have about 8 feet between where I am going to have to put the wire and the house. Can this be done because there bathroom area is on the side of the house. Please tell me what unit would be best for what I am trying to do. Thank you.

ADMIN – Hi Chad,

If you set the wire at 8 feet away from your home, you can adjust the boundary width to be 3 feet. This will give them them 6 feet of space. I wouldn’t recommend a wider boundary width. If the space is too narrow, most dogs will not walk through it. But I believe 6 feet will work well.

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